Polly Want a Cracker? (Vaccine passports)

Chicago is introducing “Vax Pass” , which will allow fully vaccinated people to participate in major summer group events in the city of Chicago.

I think it’s a great idea. It is medically sound, and it also rewards people for being socially responsible while sanctioning people who are not.

Dr. Allison Arwady, the commissioner of the Chicago Department of Public Health, said the effort to give Chicagoans a way to show that they are extremely unlikely to contract or spread COVID-19 could give young Chicagoans an incentive to get vaccinated by offering them access to summer events and concerts.

“You get a vaccine, you’ll be able to get into a concert or get into an event,” Arwady said, adding that officials are asking themselves, “How can we make vaccine something that people are excited about getting?”

The plan is similar to requirements announced earlier this week by the European Union to allow fully vaccinated travelers from the U.S. to vacation in Europe, Arwady said.

Good. And I hope anyone that brings up the anti ‘vaccine passport’ argument is politely told to go fuck themselves. This clip explains better than I can (well, with less ‘go fuck yourselves’, anyway). In short, the ‘vaccine passport’ is nothing new. Try to send your kids to school without a measles shot (excluding the anti-vaxxers using religious exemptions) or Ghana without a yellow fever vaccine.

The crucial difference, legally, is that current vaccines are under emergency approval. Much harder to require people to take it.

While attendees may require a vaccine passport, I doubt the employees or police at large events will all be vaccinated.

And it will still reduce the overall transmission rate and promote healthier behaviour, so your point is kind of a nonsequitor.

Saying everyone at the event won’t be vaccinated is not remotely a non sequitur.

I guess you think I’m trying to prove this is a bad idea, and my point failed to completely discredit vaccine passports? Even still, not a non sequitur.

It’s a non-sequitur in that the vax pass is being used as an incentive to get vaccinated – get vaccinated and you can do these fun things. The fact that some people working there are not vaccinated, and presumably have to be there, has nothing to do with the incentive.

And what does that have to do with my point about ‘vaccine passports’ being nothing new? Or is it just a strawman?

I love the idea of rewarding responsible people who have gotten the vaccine, especially given that I’m fully vaccinated. However, I do not get the thread title. We have a parrot. He doesn’t eat crackers, although I’m sure he’d eat a goldfish cracker if it were offered.

You wouldn’t be able to force students to get a measles shot if that vaccine was on emergency use authorisation. That is what it has to do with “vaccine passports are nothing new”.

Oh. Nothing to do with public safety then? Thanks. I hereby rescind my non sequitur. :roll_eyes:

I think you’re deliberately missing the point of what I’m saying. You should make sure Tucker Carlson and the rest of the Fox team understand they can stop complaining about ‘vaccine passports’ since they’ll never need them due to the vaccine’s emergency use status.

Not to go off-topic, and if advised to do so, I’ll start another thread, but why does the EUA status mean the vaccine can’t be required? The “E” doesn’t stand for “experimental,” so I’m unclear as to the reasoning. Clinical trials won’t be complete for another two years, and formal approval would come months or years after that, so we’re not talking about a short wait.

It has everything to do with public safety – how can we get people to get vaccinated? Well, here’s a carrot, get vaccinated and you can go to this concert.

If there are unvaccinated people who are there for their jobs, they are at risk, not the vaccinated people (or, the vaccinated people are at much, much lower risk anyway). The public safety aspect is getting people vaccinated.

So what’s happening is that you’re arguing with Fox News, not me? Maybe they have a website you can go do that on.

From what I’m quickly gathering, it seems that, like you said, formal testing will take a while yet so in the face of a public health crisis, the FDA can give the green light to something that, in their discretion, seems to be safe. They’re not approving the new med (or the new use for an existing med), but they feel confident about it.
In short, they’re okay with it, but not okay enough to force people to take it, just to let them volunteer for it.

What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?

An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

So, you’re just now gathering that I made a rather important point.

This is exactly why the military can’t order vaccination for the enlisted at the moment.

I’m here when you’re ready to have a debate based on what I said and not what you’re pretending I said.

No thanks. I educated you on something and I got ignorant handwaving in return. Frankly, you should be exhibiting some contrition here.

I got this, @Joey_P.

Act of Contrition

O my God,
I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee,
and I detest all my sins,
because I dread the loss of heaven, and the pains of hell;
but most of all because they offend Thee, my God,
Who are all good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace,
to confess my sins, to do penance,
and to amend my life.


I didn’t, either. So i changed it, according to our general rules that titles should let you know what the topic is about. Colibri, the QZ mod, may change it again if he thinks some other title would be better.