Positive Gun News of the Day

[Euphonious_Polemic]

Here’s some positive gun news:

There were 131 firearm-related homicides in 2013, down 41 from 2012. This resulted in the **lowest rate **of firearm-related homicide since comparable data became available in 1974.

[ElvisL1ves]

Canada doesn’t count. It’s foreign.

[Starving_Artist]

It looks like Jihadi John has finally been offed.

It would be interesting to know how the anti-gun people in this thread feel about this. I’d wager most are delighted but loathe to admit it.

If on the other hand you are delighted and feel justice has been done, I’ll point out this is the reason you perceive happiness on the part of some of us on the pro-gun side when the type of people who shoot young nursing mothers in the stomach or murder entire families in convenience store coolers get shot. It’s not that we’re blood-thirsty and eager for someone to get shot, it’s that some people’s crimes are so heinous that both justice and public safety demand it.

I’ll admit that some defensive shootings are unfortunate, particularly those where small amounts of money are being robbed or a drug addict breaks in looking for something to pawn and is unaware someone is at home. These are kinds of crimes where the crook may or may not have murderous intent, but there’s no way to know until it’s too late and they’re the ones who’ve made themselves a threat to their victims’ lives.

Either way, though, the best outcome is not to deprive the innocent parties in these scenarios the ability to use firearms to defend themselves.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Bone

An Op Ed (I think?) from the Washington Post asks, Did gun control cost McAuliffe and Democrats the Virginia election?

Are you kidding? There is a good chance that Gun Control is going to cost Hillary Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Colorado.

Those reviled gun owners (who are frequently Republican) who typically stay home on election day will turn out if gun control becomes an issue. Its about the worst issue for Democrats.

I bet that Hillary makes some sort of mealy mouthed endorsement of the second amendment and hunting (and possibly even get “caught” duck hunting in Pennsylvania). That is no indication of what she will do when she gets into office but there are no additional votes to be had by stumping on gun control while there are a lot of votes to be lost.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Bone

Up to the point you posted this, I had linked 20-25 different articles, but hey, I guess you captured that with your “8 incidents or so”. That’s how you science!
An argument, oh no! Adults argue, nothing wrong with that. When it escalates to brick throwing, that’s a problem. Maybe the brick thrower presented an immediate threat that couldn’t be obviated by fleeing. When someone is threatening another person’s life, shooting to stop the threat then leaving the scene where the threat is present seems reasonable. Seeing as how witnesses corroborated the incident, police interviewed the shooter at the location that he drove to, arrested the brick thrower, and did not arrest the shooter, the police seemed to agree.
FYI - this isn’t intended as a thread for debate, though I claim no special powers of guidance.

OOPS. I didn’t see we were in MPSIMS forum.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Damuri_Ajashi

Are you kidding? There is a good chance that Gun Control is going to cost Hillary Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Colorado.

Those reviled gun owners (who are frequently Republican) who typically stay home on election day will turn out if gun control becomes an issue. Its about the worst issue for Democrats.

I bet that Hillary makes some sort of mealy mouthed endorsement of the second amendment and hunting (and possibly even get “caught” duck hunting in Pennsylvania). That is no indication of what she will do when she gets into office but there are no additional votes to be had by stumping on gun control while there are a lot of votes to be lost.

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BTW, if pushing gun control lost the Richmond election (and this is widely considered to be the case), we effectively gave up medicaid expansion to pander to the gun control folks who were going to vote Democrat anyway. Gun control drives a lot more gun owners to the polls here in Virignia than anti-gun folks (most of them are either voting anyway or don’t care enough about guns for it to make a difference).

So the cost of pushing this gun control agenda in Virginia means no medicaid expansion. Good fucking job Terry!!!

[Gary_Kumquat]

@Starving_Artist

It looks like Jihadi John has finally been offed.

So a drone strike that has probably killed a terrorist is also within the remit of Positive Gun News?

Gosh.

[Gary_Kumquat]

@Damuri_Ajashi

Winning WWII was a good thing despite the fact that the facts leading up to that event were not.

So you’re going for a “yes it was a terrible thing, but the good guys won in the end” definition of a positive event?

[Bone]

Folkston woman kills man breaking into her home

A Folkston police officer and Charlton deputy responded to a call of a burglary in progress just before 8 a.m. at a home on Cedar Ridge Road, near Highway 121 and Okefenokee Drive. They found a man later identified as Jonathan Green, 40, of Folkston, unresponsive at the edge of the yard. The 64- and 75-year-old women who live there said the man entered the home and attacked them.

The younger woman said she was attacked from behind in a bedroom, but managed to get away. She said the man left the room, and when he came back she had armed herself with a small caliber pistol and shot him three times. She said he left through the front door.

The older sister had a gash on her head and the younger sister had minor injuries. Both were transported to a hospital to be checked.

Authorities said they found blood inside the home, on the front porch and in the yard.

Even after being shot three times, a person can still be mobile.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Jack_Batty

You kind of sucks at grasping points, don’t you?

I see no “positive abortion stories” because when someone decides to have an abortion I consider it an unfortunate but necessary occurrence. Much like what I was told gun owners feel if they have the misfortune to find themselves in a situation where they must shoot somebody. But apparently that’s just one more positive thing about your favorite toys. Who knew?

:rolleyes:

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Gary_Kumquat

So you’re going for a “yes it was a terrible thing, but the good guys won in the end” definition of a positive event?

Yes. Something that was going to be very bad became a lot less bad. that is positive news.

[Jack_Batty]

@Damuri_Ajashi

:rolleyes:

Compelling rebuttal.

[Bone]

Catawba man says he shot intruder out of ‘fear for his life’

He says a beer bottle was broken on his head and a cinder block was used to hit him as well. As he was pushed back against a wall, Lyons says he pulled out his handgun and fired a shot at one of the intruders who, at the time, had an arm across his chest, “I hit him in the upper arm or torso area.”
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At that time of night, the office is closed and no officers were around. The chief says about a half hour later a person showed up with a gunshot wound at a local hospital and was later transported to Baptist Hospital for treatment. So far, no charges have been filed and he says the man denies being involved in the Catawba incident.
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Lyons’ weapon, a 40 caliber Smith and Wesson, has been confiscated for now but if cleared in the shooting, it would be returned to him. Lyons says he did what he had to do, “If I hadn’t a had the gun I think I would have died.”

Opening doors to strangers in the middle of the night is a bad idea. Opening doors to strangers is a bad idea.

[Jack_Batty]

Unless you got a gun … then go ahead and open your door to strangers all you want. Think of all the different sort of people you’ll get to meet. And shoot.

[Scumpup]

@Jack_Batty

Unless you got a gun … then go ahead and open your door to strangers all you want. Think of all the different sort of people you’ll get to meet. And shoot.

What outcome, other than the one that actually happened, would you prefer?

[Jack_Batty]

I couldn’t read the link … it doesn’t work and play well with my phone … but if I had a choice between not opening my door to strangers in the middle of the night where no one gets shot and opening my doors to strangers in the middle of the night willing to shoot them if they’re not my kind of strangers, then I choose the former.

In other words (I don’t know why this isn’t sinking in) …no one getting shot is always preferable to someone getting shot. And I find the celebration of someone getting shot - whoever the fuck it is and whatever the fuck they did - to be incredibly ghoulish.

[Scumpup]

Your preferred outcome is that we all live in fear of opening our doors? You prefer this over a violent robber getting shot?

[Jack_Batty]

I prefer that no one gets shot and I refuse to celebrate when someone does. Clear enough?

[Scumpup]

Not really. You haven’t given us the full parameters of “no one gets shot.” From here, it is looking a lot like you think it is better for all the honest citizens to fear opening their doors than it is for dishonest and violent people to get shot. Am I missing some nuance of your position? Did I carelessly skip over the part where you explained what we would do about the robbers? Other than lock our doors and hope they just go away, I mean.

[Jack_Batty]

Yes. You’re missing the big nuance. The existence of this thread and my comments in it have nothing to do with what I or you or the Queen of Sheba wants to happen to people with guns but how we react to situations where people get shot. I consider that a very negative thing. You seem to revel in the fact that people get to shoot other people which I find ghoulish.