In other news, Police: Overbrook woman shoots intruder overnight
Victim calls 911, then attacker calls 911 because he was shot. Nice.
In other news, Man arrested after being shot during home invasion
I wonder if he was carrying on his person at the time.
In other news,Reserve woman shoots man in her garage, St. John Sheriff’s Office says
Reserve is the name of the census tract in this case, which was confusing to me at first. Surprising people in their home late at night is not a good idea.
In other news, Armed robbery and shooting at North Charleston Waffle House
Another incident at a Waffle House.
That’s literally the same shooting that you started this thread with in October.
Ahh you are right. Must have overlapped my reading. I will endeavor to do better.
In light of the earlier dupe, here is a different story. In other news, ROBBERY VICTIM SHOOTS, KILLS SUSPECT IN NORTH HARRIS COUNTY
While this is also in Harris County in Houston, TX, it’s not the same event in Houston identified in post 102 and 125. With so many they do tend to blur. With this one, 2vs1 and ends up with the two attackers shot and the victim unhurt.
raised in impoverished, high-crime neighborhood inadequately protected by often-racist cops, criminals who face a hard time finding opportunities due to deeply-entrenched institutional racism, and conservatives
a reduced social safety net and against restrictions on gun ownership and in favor of draconian measures for felons that encourage criminals to return to crime once their sentence is through,
Black Lives Matter activists’ frustration with the current unjust system.
As for this thread, Bone, I find it to be a strange mishmash. You’ve got stories that seem pretty clearly indicative that the presence of a gun made things less bad. But other stories are in the “Gun tragedy barely averted” category, stories where one less gun in the situation would have made the situation much better.
If someone with a gun attacks a martial artist, and the martial artist disarms the attacker, how is that a positive gun story? Wouldn’t everything in that situation have been better if the single gun in the story hadn’t been there? It’s as if I, trying to persuade folks that marijuana is positive, quote a story in which a stoned driver almost crashes into a pedestrian, but the pedestrian leaps out of the way. Positive pot story!
Those types of stories are to illustrate instances when criminals are disarmed and their own gun used against them. In my anecdotal experience, I find this happens much more than when criminals are able to disarm their victims and use the victim gun against them. The latter is a common refrain among gun control supporters so I include those types of stories as a counter.
In your opinion, what is the ratio of positive gun stories to stupid or tragic stories? No one is suggesting that guns are never used in a justified case of self defense, but that the societal cost of widespread gun ownership overwhelms the benefits.
The problem is that they’re not a counter. Gun control advocates are saying, “See? If guns were harder to obtain, people would be safer on balance.” Your stories make exactly the same point.
You can interpret it that way, but I don’t. The specific idea of including the types of stories you reference (attacker losing gun) is to counter the idea that the attacker will just take away a victim gun.
I wouldn’t hazzard a guess. Feel free to start a thread to discuss it!
In other news, Homeowner shoots, kills intruder in Pamlico County
With 3 assailants, larger magazines are a plus.
Huh. As someone more sympathetic to gun control than you, it doesn’t work at all to counter that idea–showing that if you have a gun, your opponent can sometimes take it from you makes guns look less, not more, safe. What does work to counter it is times when the gun is not taken away from a defending gun owner. Your stories in which assailants are shot or otherwise driven off by gun owners work to counter the “own a gun and it’ll get snatched from you” narrative.
So what’s your point? That because they were raised in conditions that contributed to their becoming vicious criminals the correct and moral thing to do is deliberately disarm ourselves and willingly present ourselves as defenseless victims to whatever evil skullduggery they have in mind?
I swear, I will never understand the liberal mind if I live to be a thousand years old.
Plenty of time. You don’t sound a day over 800.
If you knew how truly sad and unhappy I am about the death of Scott Weiland you wouldn’t be saying such things. 
Not to speak for LHOD here, but… I think that type of stuff is important, not because we should forgive someone for committing a violent crime, or let them go free just because they had a bad childhood, but because it informs public policy choices. So the west side of Peoria has been getting more violent in the past few years… how should we proceed? More cops? Curfews? Or greater funding for public schools and after-school programs to try to keep kids out of gangs?
And there certainly are cases where for instance a teenager has committed a first violent crime, and is not yet hardened into a lifetime path of violence, when understanding that child’s life up to that point helps us decide whether society as a whole is better off if we treat that child as a troubled youth or a violent thug.
Which is NOT to say that we just always get all touchy-feely and refuse to ever lock anyone up or ever try a minor as an adult… but we certainly shouldn’t always react with extreme prejudice.
I agree with everything you just said. But LHoD seems to object to people using guns to defend themselves because criminals aren’t responsible for the fact they grew up to be criminals, and that makes no sense whatever.
There are literally trillions of ways you could misrepresent what I said and have it make no sense. Congratulations, I guess, for finding one of them?
You want to lay blame. You want to figure out who’s righteous and who’s guilty.
I want the violence to stop.
Nothing in what I said comes close to condoning violence. But if we want violence to stop, we need to look at why it’s happening. Saying “BAD GUYS BAD” doesn’t get us any closer to understanding why it’s happening.
You say you don’t understand the liberal mindset. That may be the Captain Obvious statement of the decade. Sadly, I do understand the conservative mindset (at least, the one you represent): it’d rather lay blame than solve the problem.