They claimed to be asleep when the guy burst in.
Fortunately, the robber’s gun was not loaded. If it had been, then they may have shot back, and the injury/death count could have been much higher. Hopefully for shopkeepers, criminals continue to forgo loading their guns before committing robberies.
The question asked:
Doesn’t really mean much. I mean this guy would answer yes, as would this woman, and as wouldthis guy.
While I am sure that there are completely legitimate uses of guns for defending oneself, in a self reporting question like that, there are going to be many who report that they used a gun to ward off what they perceived as a threat, even if there was no actual threat, even if their actions actually put people in danger.
I mean, if someone comes to my door, and I am afraid of them, and a I brandish a gun at them, I could call that a self defense, even if all I did was scare shitless a couple of kids selling magazine subscriptions or collecting money for their band. It would also count if I started an argument with someone, then brandished my gun as a way of ending it.
ETA: And that is giving the benefit of the doubt as to the veracity of the claims. In a self reporting question like that, you can just lie. Many gun owners have expressed that it is not only okay to, but is preferable to lie to people conducting surveys about guns in the home, I don’t see why they would be any more honest about DGU’s.
Because the Secret Service requires it.
But shouldn’t the NRA be convincing the Secret Service about how much safer the venue will be if a lot more people are armed?
I mean, the Secret Service should readily agree, right?
Exactly. I saw CNN trying to make hay with this stupid carp this morning and immediately thought “what a bunch of Fake News BS”. There is no way the Secret Service is going to change their procedures and requirements and allow a bunch of people to carry guns in to see the VP. But CNN failed to mention the Secret Service part. Imagine that.
So will we see the gundamentalist lobby throw their weight against this unconstitutional policy?
Procedures that may be appropriate for a crowd of people going to hear a previously announced and scheduled speech by the President of the United States (or the Vice President) are not appropriate for everyday life in the country as a whole.
I would hope the NRA would be joined by the ACLU and a whole bunch of other people in protesting if we as a society tried to implement a policy of requiring Americans to submit to being scanned and searched and emptying our pockets and having our bags and backpacks X-rayed every single time we left the house.
I know you guys think you have a couple of “gotchas”, but you don’t. When the secret service secures an area, they take control and watch everything that is going on. They also have their own weapons and are ready to use them. Same with courthouses, where armed security is present.
Contrast that to so-called “gun-free zones” like schools, some shopping malls, some businesses. There, someone hangs signs up disallowing guns, but does nothing to actually protect the safety of all of the people. Hanging a sign disallowing lawful carry makes it more likely that a lunatic will not encounter any resistance, but does nothing at all to increase safety.
So yeah, the government is telling you when and where you can be armed.
Where else are you going to find more Good Guys With Guns than an NRA convention?
The Secret Service obviously needs a patient explanation of how their policy is entirely wrong-headed, driven only by hoplophobia. Any of you guys want to volunteer?
The Secret Service are also highly trained and psychologically tested. “More amateurs with guns” does not equate to “increased safety” the way you think it does.
Sure. But having even MORE guns available in the hands of lawful 2nd Amendment-abiding citizens will make these venues even MORE safe.
Travelling to a venue where I’m not allowed to take my legally owned weapon seems like a severe case of infringement on my 2nd Amendment rights. And the Constitution itself says “…shall not be infringed”
You are telling me that there are some times where the infringement of my 2nd Amendment rights is not only lawful, but necessary as well? That seems strange to me.
Unless these are the arguments that you truly hold and are honestly advancing, it doesn’t seem like these comments are in good faith.
I’ll try to get the thread back on track.
In other news, Suspected burglar shot, killed by homeowner in Greenville Co. ID’d:
DGU with one death. I’d say if the person is licensed to carry it’s strange to leave the weapon in the car, but perhaps the school didn’t allow weapons on campus so the firearm was in the car and not placed back on the person when she returned to her vehicle. Good thing she was able to retrieve it in time.
It’s called sarcasm, and it’s quite accepted on this board. Accusations of bad faith, not so much. :dubious:
Coulda been *no *deaths if she’d ever called the cops. Did she, or did she exercise a vigilante fantasy?
We’ve previously been exposed to the idea, in your IMHO thread, that carrying a gun, especially concealed, can be more like carrying a magic talisman to ward off evil than actually preparing to defend oneself, or to escalate a situation into one that ends up as a “DGU with one death”. Perhaps she simply forgot to bring her talisman with her at first?
An even better thing if she’d called in the people trained and equipped and authorized to respond to the situation. Might not be someone killed, right?
The “situation” was an odd odor in her home. Would you call 911 for an odd odor? I wouldn’t, I’d explore my home in an attempt to identify the source of the odor.
Would you pull a gun to defend yourself against a bad odor?
At some point she decided there was a threat from an intruder, and went to get her gun *instead of *calling 911. Somebody is dead because of that.
And given there was an intruder who was hiding in the closet, and apparently had been bothering this person before, I’d say it was prudent to investigate while armed.
In other news, Armed resident stops attempted home invasion:
DGU with no injuries. I’m curious how the person came to be in possession of handcuffs, but hey, whatever floats your boat and it worked out well.
Yes, I have. We live in the country. A “bad odor” could be a raccoon, squirrel, fox, bat, etc that got into the house. If I’m searching my home to locate odor source I’d carry a gun (my 16 gauge pump) just in case.
Years ago I found an exploded soup(?) can that smelled up the entire house but was difficult to pin down exact location. Had I called 911 I think I’d have been laughed at, if not to my face, at least behind my back.
