Post-Musical depression: Why I shouldn't have seen [b]Rent[/b].

I just got home after seeing a production of Rent. Wow. Whatever else you may feel about this musical, the vocals always make me wish I could sing. When Maureen and Joanne sing their duets, the rafters ring. And Mimi is so sweet sometimes and so incredibly brassy at others. And Collins’ deep, dark, mellow voice makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

What do you guys think of this show? Personally, I love it. But I always leave feeling very very sad that I am not a performer.

I love musicals in general, but this is the only one that I play over and over on a regular basis.

You know, I keep reading over this and hating the way I’ve phrased everything, but I can’t seem to fix it. Damn grad school. It’s sucking the wit out of me.

I always get this sort of depression after I see some type of performance. It makes me want to become better in my dancing/violining, but it also makes me upset that I’m not that good yet. I also wish more than anything that I could sing.

Ah, well, at least you’re doing something artistic. I also wish I could sing, but that makes less sense for a horse back riding developmental biologist than it does for a dancing violinist. :slight_smile:

The weird thing about Rent is that while I love the music enormously, and have listened to it so many times that I have the whole album in that borderline-memorized state where if you plopped me down anywhere in it I could sing for a while, but then probably forget how the next verse starts, I’ve had only mixed experiences seeing it performed. The lyrics are always hard to understand, the performances have always been a bit uninspired, neither Angel nor Mimi is ever as good as on the CD, and the sound mixing always seems off.

(On the other hand, I got to see Doogie Howser playing Mark, and I got to see Wilson Cruz (Rickie from My So Called Life) playing Angel, and that was cool)

Nonetheless, it’s still wonderful music…

"There is no future, there is no past
Thank god this moment’s not the last

There’s only us, there’s only this
Forget regret, or life is yours to miss
No other path, no other way
No day but today".

I saw Rent shortly before it closed here, and more or less enjoyed it. I thought the plot was a bit untidy (and I won’t even get into the whole “AIDS as a way to meet people” thing); plus, it seemed kind of dated. And there were way too many unsubtle La Boheme references for my liking; such things only make me want to go watch the original.

That said, the music was surprisingly good, and most of the performances were excellent – the guy who played Roger went through the whole play in “clenched jaw” mode, alas, but “Angel” gave a deeply compelling performance.

I can’t say that watching musicals ever made me want to be an actor (despite an appearance in “Oliver!” in high school); I’m quite happy to do the odd pit job or choral performance. OTOH, listening to a good piece of classical music always makes me wish I was a better composer, which is probably along the same lines as your situation.

I agree with jr8 about Rent seeming dated. I used to listen to the soundtrack a lot back in high school then didn’t for a few years. I dug it out last year and was at times horrified at how dated it seemed (“Newt’s lesbian sister” - ugh). Great music to be sure, but the thing is the Hair of our time: doomed.

Also I’ve never like the fact that the AIDS thing is played up so much as to make the thing virtually inaccesible to anyone not personally familiar with the disease or anyone suffering from it.

Disclaimer: I’ve never seen it, but thanks to a former roommate who was obsessed with it, I’ve heard the CD and the complete plot run-down about 300 times.

I think it’s totally disgusting, and illustrates all of the reasons why I’m proud to say that I’m not a member of Generation X. Here we’ve got a bunch of whiny losers who think that the world owes them a living just for being the fabulous selves they are, who get upset when their landlord actually wants to charge them for a place to live in New York, who think that bank robbery is perfectly acceptable, so long as you’ve got a friend who died of AIDS, and who don’t hesitate to kill pets just because they’re annoying… And we’re supposed to identify with these idiots?

Love the show.

Of course, I saw it first on Broadway, with the entire original cast – Adam Pascal as Roger, Jesse L. Martin as Tom Collins, and the amazing Daphne Rubin-Vega as Mimi. Oh, and Idina Menzel’s incomparable Maureen.

I constantly live that I-love-music-but-sing-only-in-the-key- of-off disappointment; musicals don’t increase it much. I remember leaving the production absolutely stunned, and having wiped tears from my eyes several times… er. that is, I would have wiped tears, if I weren’t such a tough, manly bastard.

If the show seems dated, perhaps it’s only because when it was written, AIDS was still a virtual death sentence, even with AZT – while we still don’t have a cure, the panoply of drugs we can throw at it allow an AIDS victim with financial resources to maintain an existence - one dominated by pills, yes, but still LIVING.

That simply wasn’t true then, and, frankly, for starving “artists” and the homeless, it is still a death sentence. If Rent seems dated, perhaps you’re setting your social sights too high.

Chronos, a play - or an opera - can be moving and compelling without your liking the characters. Do you think Don Giovanni is a figure to be admired, seducing women and driving them to suicide? Is Salome to be applauded when she demands that Herod kill John the Baptist? Or closer to this point – were Marcel, Rupert, and Mimi any more loveable than Mark, Roger, and Mimi? Was Schunard any more morally straight than Angel?

As to your specific objections – their landlord tried to break the deal he made with them - a former roommate of theirs, he promised them a rent-free year after he bought the building. It is this they protest, not the general idea of paying rent. And by “bank robbery” you mean Collins’ rewiring the ATM at the Food Emporium to give “anyone with the code” money, yes? It’s hardly an act of selflessness, I grant - but it’s not “robbery” either. Finally, it was a neighbor of Benny & Alison that hired Angel to get rid of the dog, and all she did was play music – the dog unexpectedly jumped to its death. While she took credit for it, she didn’t kill it.

The bottom line is that you’re not necessarily “supposed to identify with these idiots.” You are, however, supposed to feel some empathy for what they’re going through: Roger, afflicted with AIDS through no fault of his own; Mimi, in love with a guy who’s got so much emotional baggage he can’t see how much he loves her in return; Joanne and Maureen, experiencing the topsy-turvy changes inherent in many relationships and trying desperately to hang on to one another; Mark, who is the one that will survive all this, which carries with it its own guilt – and no sympathy from those that are dying… and Tom & Angel, who find true love only to lose their relationship to the roaring lion of death that is AIDS.

There’s plenty to identify with. It’s being human.

  • Rick

Love it - I saw it in London and in Chicago. The whole Angel/Collins story is so beautiful and tragic (…I do not deserve you…) that I start with the tears as soon as Angel makes his first entrance, just anticipating how sad I’m gonna get.

It is puzzling and slightly cheesy to me how much the show touches my soul, more than any modern musical has to date.

I like Rent, but not as much as most of the theatre department here at my college. I’m more of an older musical fan (I’ll make exceptions for Rocky Horror, The Producers, and Moulin Rouge).

It’s a good story, but it’s a little too contrived, and it’s a world I’m not ever quite able to reach because it’s a very exclusive story.

Nevertheless, it’s beautiful. Beautiful and cheesy, like most musicals.

I pretty much liked “Rent” up until the final scene, which was an absolutely ludicrious bit of pandering to the audience.

It immediately reminded me of the “Romeo and Juliet” play within the play of “Nicholas Nickleby,” where Romeo jumps up and says “The poison didn’t work after all,” and Juliet jumps up and says “I was only kidding with the sword.” In other words, the author had to tack on a phoney happy ending for no other reason than to get a cheer from the audience.

Up until then, it seemed fairly good, but not really a classic.

Of course, I didn’t think “La Boheme” was a particularly good opera, either.

i, too, got to see wilson cruz as angel the first time i went to this show in NYC. it’s amazing. i also saw it in Fort Worth and in NYC again.
the high that it gives during the performance can only be compensated by a short depression afterwards, IMHO, very very worth it.
more highly recommended performances:
Blue Man Group, Chicago, The Full Monty, ART, The complete History of America-abridged. . .
the list goes on and on, and there is always the classics, aaah, now i must go to the theatre, manhattan is just accross the river. . . . if only i had unlimited passes to all the arts in the city. . . . sigh

I don’t understand what you mean by “setting your social sights too high” (NOTE: The “your” being referred to here is Chronos, not myself). If a play is dated, it’s dated. It doesn’t matter if it made sense at the time, the fact remains that period or issue-oriented pieces like “Rent” become parodies of themselves when they become socially irrelevant. Rent is a play about AIDS, not about people; that is its greatest flaw and one which will make it seem continually more and more ridiculous as time goes on.

At the risk of bringing down the wrath of half the civilized world onto my head, I will admit that I don’t think that RENT is an outstanding or even a particularly good musical.

From a technical perspective: the music is usually catchy, if seldom innovative, and certainly the best part of the piece. The characters are unlikable, and the words they are given to say and sing are painfully self-conscious; no one actually talks in that way. The lyrics are generally atrocious.

Generally speaking, there is not one theme or concept in this show that hasn’t been done far more skillfully somewhere else. I’ve seen it and listened to it repeatedly, and I’ve never heard a single moment that touched my heart or engaged my mind.

Ah, well… tastes vary, I guess.

  • Frank

What I meant was that the threat of AIDS is a remarkably diminished one in middle-class circles now.

In the world of shelters, soup kitchens, and survival sex, it is not. Yet.

  • Rick

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I agree that it’s a little bit of a copout for Mimi to survive. On the other hand, she still has AIDS, Collins still has AIDS, Roger still has AIDS, and Angel is still dead. So it’s not like a (to quote Wayne’s World) mega-happy ending.

It was already dated when it debuted, and they had to know it would only get more dated. There actually were effective AIDS treatments available to the middle class at the time, and it’s a fact of human existence that the treatments were bound to improve. Yes, for the poor, treatment is still very hard to come by… But these folks weren’t exactly poor, either, now were they?

And I don’t demand of a piece of literature that all of the characters to be likeable. All I demand is that there be at least one character with whom I can at least somewhat identify. If I can’t identify with anyone, then why should I care about the story at all? So, someone dies. Should I mourn the loss? Celebrate his defeat? Or just turn the newspaper to page 17, and yawn? I don’t even ask that such a character share any of my ethics: I can identify, for instance, with Macbeth. I can’t identify with anyone in Rent.

I always thought that everyone made a big deal out of Rent was because the guy who wrote it died suddenly right before/right after it opened.

I once saw on TV the original (I think) cast at a Macy’s Thanksgiving parade sing that song about minutes. Not too impressed, personally.

Damn… beat me to it. If he hadn’t died, the show would have closed in about a month, IMHO.

Tell that to the bank. Or is the money coming out of Collins’ personal account? If not, it’s ROBBERY, plain and simple.

Well, technically it’s theft not robbery as there is no coercion through violence on the part of Collins.