In which case I would move to one of them.
your not in new york or calif ? 
Why would you think I am?
then you wouldn’t have to move 
Canadians wish to aid and abet secession.
We’d approve Orgeon and Washington to keep the land links intact.
No, there’s not going to be a civil war, especially over attacking another nation. Just the extermination of everyone who dared ever defy the Right or has the wrong skin tone.
But people just don’t start civil wars over attacking some other nation.
You’re correct. I conflated a recent UNGA resolution with a recent US veto in the Security Council. But it’s worth mentioning that the UNGA resolution I was thinking of was one that was tabled by European countries condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine and affirming their support for the sovereignty of Ukraine. While the US couldn’t veto the resolution in the General Assembly, incredibly, they voted against it, siding with Russia. Thankfully, most member countries being at least relatively civilized, the resolution still passed.
They’ll do it if enough of them think the action is ludicrous, indefensible, and colossally stupid. As I stated in my previous post, the New England states almost bolted over the War of 1812 which involved an invasion of Canada. Something like that would likely happen again if Trump follows through with his asinine obsession of annexing Canada.
That was a long, long time ago. These days I can’t imagine Americans fighting a civil war even to save themselves, much less somebody else. And the modern military would just crush an attempt at civil war in a one-sided slaughter, anyway.
This is my fervent hope, that some state governments oppose the attack on Russia and that the western democracies foment secessionist movements within the US.
There’s no way any states would be allowed to secede. The fascists would nuke them first.
I am the same age, and grew up in the US, but my mother grew up in Canada and certainly remembers, and so I have this lore from oral tradition and a source I can check. We’ll manage!
On another note, for those who think military action will happen, on what timeline? Within days, weeks, in 2026 to distract from upcoming elections? I find the notion to ridiculous to contemplate, but I also find that sober people with deep knowledge are taking it seriously, so I can’t dismiss the possibility out of hand as I’d like to.
Within a year, I think. Trump isn’t patient.
Yes, this is what I was thinking of. Gen X had it pretty good, but our parents remember, if you ask them. My mother is from Newfoundland, and we retained an old Christmas tradition of getting an orange in our stocking on Christmas morning. When she was growing up, that was often the only fresh fruit they’d see in the winter months. Someone would send a boat of fish south just before Christmas, and come back with a load of oranges to sell.
Northern cultures have been dealing with this for thousands of years, we just need to suck it up and persevere.
But you can imagine them slaughtering civilians by the millions just for fun.
Go figure.
It is like fighting for the government and fighting against the government are two entirely different things.
Go figure.
Sure, it’s never been very hard to get people to commit genocide. And America is a society built on hatred.
Article 5
“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
“such action as it deems necessary”
How far could anyone go without effectively giving Putin the collapse of NATO, Five Eyes, etc? What are the chances of, say, successfully encouraging mutinies among key UK-based US personnel?
I have wondered the same thing. UN did send peacekeaping forces to Cyprus, but Nato did nothing, at least as I remember the conflict. I assume that something was done behind scenes.
I hope that the rest of Nato and UN will come to the aid of Canada.
Greece and Turkey weren’t directly attacking each other in 1974. A coup d’état in Cyprus backed by the military dictatorship in Greece led to a Turkish invasion of parts of Cyprus (and the Greek junta and their Greek Cypriot protégés soon collapsed) . Doubtful who counted as legal or effective authorities in Greece or Cyprus, had they tried to invoke Article 5, let alone whether other NATO countries wanted to take the initiative to intervene militarily in the absence of such a call. Instead the UN peacekeeping route was chosen.
I think the sequence will be Panama Canal and then a border “correction” with Canada. I think that Panama will happen next year.
Territorial expansion is a hallmark of fascist moments. Im curious why you think that this is a ridiculous scenario?