Predicting Cameron's Avatar: Waterworld or Titanic?

I think the Pros and Cons for the film’s Oscar candidacy are as follows:

Box-Office Clout: Sometimes, a film comes along that completely changes the landscape of the box-office, touching a nerve in the larger popular culture that results in a massive reboot for the industry. And sometimes (GWTW, The Godfather, Titanic), that film is rewarded accordingly with a Best Picture Oscar. Unfortunately for Avatar, the numerous exceptions (Star Wars, ET, The Dark Knight) dovetail with…

Genre Prejudice: The fact remains that only once in the history of the Oscars has a fantasy/sci-fi film won Best Picture, and that film (a) had a literary pedigree to fall back on, (b) had a much more solid critical foundation, and (c) was the third installment of a massive multi-year undertaking that yielded 30 cumulative nominations. In short, LOTR was simply too big and significant to be ignored.

The jury is still out on Avatar’s legacy (beyond that of a technological game-changer), but there are quite a number of voters (especially older ones) who will see the film as too pulpy, derivative, or inconsequential for the top prize. This often is reflected as a knee-jerk response to anything that doesn’t present itself as sobering, serious (or self-serious) “cinema”, and other genres (comedies, westerns) have also been victims of this narrow view in the past. Best Picture, to them, means Most Important Picture, and Avatar’s eco-friendly anti-colonial pretensions aside, it’s not a film they’re going to take as seriously as something like Invictus.

Industry Protectiveness: But the Academy isn’t dumb and knows on which side its bread is buttered. A vote for Avatar, for some, will mean a vote for the future of Tentpole Filmmaking, which yields more jobs for a single film than the entire crews of An Education and 500 Days of Summer combined.

The Oscars are also a means of self-congratulation, and while some may like sending the message on how Meaningful movies can be, others take pride in craftsmanship that yields technolgical wonders as what Avatar represents. The Academy consists of different branches, and while actors (the largest branch) and writers may have mixed feelings about these big budget blockbusters, sound mixers and costume designers and visual effects coordinators are generally more likely to support films that show off their specific discipline to best effect.

A Wider Field: The most unpredictable factor is that, with 10 nominees, nobody quite knows how the Best Picture race might unfold. However, there is one thing we do know–the voting system has changed. It is still One-Ballot/One-Vote, but by having members rank their preferences, this could put Avatar at a disadvantage, since you’ll need more than the most #1 votes to pass the necessary threshold; you’ll need to capitalize on second preference balloting for other films in the slate. If you’re voting for Precious as the best film of the year, how likely are you going to be to put Avatar second?

Cameron’s film is a polarizing one, and while those who like it really like it, those who don’t may be passionate enough to bury it at the bottom of their tally–and that may be enough for another strong competitor (The Hurt Locker, Up in the Air) to siphon off votes that will result in a victory.

Popularity Contest: Also, don’t underestimate how Cameron’s reputation in the industry might effect this. He’s unquestionably a visionary, but he’s also someone who many people who’ve worked with him see as nothing short of tyrannical. That he beat the odds and made the unlikely Titanic an international phenomenon might’ve been enough for some to forgive him his faults out of respect for his gumption and initiative.

But this is his second time around, and after his “King of the World” immodesty 12 years ago, there won’t, for some, be the same type of urgency to reward him again. And who was the last director to have consecutive films of his win the Best Picture Oscar? David Lean, and no offense, but Avatar is no Lawrence of Arabia.

Venue Issues: Personally, I didn’t care for the film very much, though it was visually impressive at times. But that was in the theater in 3-D. Not all Academy members will be seeing it that way; though there will be an acknowledgement that the film “has to” be seen in a theater to appreciate the full effect, how many Academy members will be watching their screeners at home instead? Really hard to say, but if they do, Avatar’s biggest selling point will be significantly blunted.

Academy members are professionals, but ultimately they’re just viewers, too, and they’re likely to respond the way most people do–by allying themselves with the film they like the most, the one that gave them the most visceral reaction. The technical achievement of Cameron’s film is muted if you watch it at home, and I’m skeptical that whatever emotional resonance (if any) the film has to offer will be quite as effective on the small screen as some of the other choices. And that will matter in the long run.

If I were a betting man, I’d bet the film walks off with 3 or 4 Oscars (or maybe more), but none in the major categories. I think, cultural phenomenon aside, there are too many things that will bother enough of the fickle Academy membership for them to vote for it–going with something more comfortable, conventional, or (IMHO) undeniably superior instead. We’ll see…

Great post. You mentioned the environmental and anti-colonial politics of the film; I wonder if that could help it with some voters lending the film a bit more gravitas and also triggering a backlash against conservative pundits who have attacked the film. OTOH presumably Cameron will go ahead and make the sequels so voters could do an ROTK and give the BP to the last film of the series assuming it holds up reasonably well.

  Meanwhile 4-day weekend estimates are a whopping 54.6 million pushing Avatar past the [500 million](http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/fastest.htm?page=500&p=.htm) mark in just 32 days compared to 45 days for TDK. At this stage it's almost certain to pass Titanic both in the US and worldwide.

Doubtful, primarily because the film acts as visual feast first and heavy-handed metaphor a distant second. Anyone who’s going to vote along those lines will probably choose District 9 anyway, where the metaphor might be just as obvious, but (IMHO) handled more deftly and originally.

Also, it’s a mistake to think that Hollywood is most responsive to liberal sentiments, since a lot of older voters tend to skew more politically conservative over time. The Hurt Locker is a more ideal film in this regard since it isn’t overtly political and can be seen as a Rorshach Test for ones views on the Middle East without necessarily carrying its opinion on its sleeve.

Also unlikely. Empire and Jedi had fewer nominations combined than the original Star Wars. What made LOTR so unusual was that it was conceived, written, and filmed as one mammoth enterprise, so the awards given to the third installment (a clean 11-for-11 sweep) essentially represented their acknowledgment that the series was actually one, long 10-hour achievement that was simply distributed in 3-parts (and in sequential years), culminating in RotK. Any sequel for Avatar is far on the horizon, so there won’t be any 1-2-3 punch that made the Tolkien adaptation unique.

Quoth HubZilla:

When you steal from one, that’s plagiarism, but when you steal from many, that’s research. There was very little original in Avatar’s story, but the elements were pulled from many different sources, and assembled fairly smoothly. I would definitely not give it awards for the screenplay, but it was good enough.

If this visually stunning but predictable film with cardboard characters and wooden acting from the protagonist wins Best Picture, I’m… Uh, I dunno, I’m going to give even less creedence to the Academy Awards than I usually do.

I can’t believe people are still misinterpreting this. In Titanic, the reason Jack Dawson screams “I’m the King of the World” was a feeling of elation, partly because he was on a huge ship heading back home to America, and partly because he was hanging off the prow. Elation. Not arrogance, not proclaiming that he was the best.

The reason that James Cameron shouted “I’m the King of the World” was for exactly the same reason - elation at winning such a significant award, and not as a vindication, or as a symbol of him being better than anyone.

That was so screamingly obvious to me the moment I saw it, I was aghast at how people were interpreting it, and to this day it still upsets me people can get something so wrong.

Agreed. And even then, being it was a reference to his own film, it was clearly tongue-in-cheek.

Oh, we “got it”, all right. But while the intention might’ve been one thing, the (inevitable and easily predictable) effect was something completely different. You had to be utterly oblivious (or a raging narcissist) to wipe your competition off the floor that night and then scream that out to a billion people worldwide and not think you were going to be seen any other way.

And then there was the charming “Let’s party 'til dawn!” mere seconds after the Moment of Silence for Titanic’s Victims. Utterly tone deaf (and last night–speaking in Navi, encouraging the room to clap for themselves–was not much better).

Avatar continues to hold up well after the big weekend with 4.2 million on Tuesday and 3.8 million Wednesday. It should cross Titanic’s world wide boxoffice record by the end of January. It will receive a boost from Oscar nominations on Feb 2. It should cross Titanic’s US record that same week and also become the first film to make 2 billion worldwide around the same time. Amazing stuff.

It’s funny… everyone who describes Avatar as <movie X> meets <movie Y> seems to use a different pair of movies. I’ve been calling it “Apocalypse Now meets Lord of the Rings”. :slight_smile:

We went to see it on Tuesday night (19th January) in the small city of Belleville, Ontario. The 4:50 PM showing was sold out; we had gotten tickets online that morning.

Granted, it was Special Movie Deal day; for the regular 3D ticket price ($12.99), you got an eight-dollar ticket and a coupon for snacks worth $5.00. But I remain surprised at its popularity. I was hoping it would make its money back, but it’s been doing much better than that, and is still pulling in the crowds.

AVATAR has now passed TITANIC

I guess we have definitive answer to the question in the OP.

After this, I think James Cameron can make a movie out of a Chinese takeout menu if he wants to.

Holy crap, it made $36 million this past weekend in the US. In it’s 6th week!
Most movies would consider that a successful opening weekend pull.
6 weeks at #1 and nothing in the foreseeable weeks to knock it off. Mel Gibson revenge flick? Probably not.

What really encourages me is that the success of Avatar could open the door for more adult-oriented CGI animation. There is so much rich potential with this technology for adult fantasy/science fiction movies, and it isn’t being realized at all. It’s time for studios to stop being afraid to use it for anything that doesn’t involve cute, talking animals, robots or anthromorphic cars.

If The Wolfman on February 12 doesn’t do it, I bet it won’t let go of #1 until Diary of a Wimpy Kid on April 2.

I can’t decide if that’s redundant or not. The term CGI tends to only be used only in the context of animation, yet the word isn’t literally included in the initialism, like PIN number or ATM machine.

It’s not technically redundant, since computer generated images don’thave to be animated.

i was think more in terms of completely animated movies, though, I guess, as opposed to live action movies with CGI inserts (e.g. Transformers). I’d like to see more completely CGI universes.

The massive flop that was 9 tells me fully CGI movies for adults are still a long ways out yet.

I wondered who would put that up. So yeah, answered.

To your second comment:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063821/
Ok, not quite. But, it was there.

It’s also about to inch into the Top 25 all-time adjusted.

There’s also Tim Burton’s Alice in Wonderland on March 5. Burton is hit or miss for opening weekends, and this is (considered) a kid’s movie, but this one is fairly anticipated, especially with Johnny Depp. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory made $56 million in its opening weekend, and that’s a “kid’s” movie too.
Edit to add, congratulations Avatar, Jim Cameron, and everyone who worked on the film!