I really don’t think there’s anything you could say to the people that voted for him to vote for a Democrat. If we’re in a nuclear war in 4 years they’ll still think it would have been worse with Hillary and that you have to keep the same president in war time.
You need to turn out Dems that stayed home. I can definitely see Trump win since I fully expect massive efforts to suppress voter turnout.
I’d like those back-of-the-warehouse voters to tell me exactly how they expect Trump to cut taxes (almost exclusively for the 1%), raise spending, and be fine with it. Or if they mind having no allies anymore. Or if they enjoy living in a tyranny. “Working man’s billionnaire” my ass.
How the fuck does anyone fall for that bullshit line? How the fuck do you vote for someone who is plainly against your own interests? How do you vote for a strongman in a democracy? And how do you let him bend you over without so much as a reacharound? Ferchrissakes, people, have some fucking self-respect!
Snarky Kong wrote: “I really don’t think there’s anything you could say to the people that voted for him to vote for a Democrat. If we’re in a nuclear war in 4 years they’ll still think it would have been worse with Hillary and that you have to keep the same president in war time.”
I’ve been thinking of a joke along those lines. Two guys cooking over an oil drum fire one says: “Rat again?” The other guy says: “Nope, got a pigeon with my slingshot.” They look out in the distance and see a rising mushroom cloud and realize they’ve got about a minute before the blast wave hits them. Then the one says to the other: “I still say Hillary would have been worse.”
I’d like to think that someome who presents themselves as an anti-corruption crusader would do the trick. I would like to think…
Thank you – fascinating. Some of those voters knew repealing Obamacare would cost them MONEY, but they consciously put a higher VALUE on returning to a state where no one was punished for failing to purchase health insurance.
So they don’t seem so dumb after all. Disagreeable, ungenerous, incurious, easily fooled by scary stories, maybe naive…but not dumb.
Yes, most of us are. He took some initial fundraising step the other day, although I didn’t catch the details on the radio.
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Those were simpler times, when the majority of Republicans stood for something, and had the interests of the country at heart. Not anymore. Those kind of people have been purged.
I think it was something along the lines of “I’m going to fund my re-election myself, so send me all your money.”
All the people making predictions - how accurate were your predictions in this election cycle? Why do you think that your predictive abilities have improved since?
I think you are not cynical enough. 
Self preservation does not need the interests of the country to be taken into account; as soon as the scandals appear to be politically damaging to the Republicans, then the ones that supported him will dump him in a New York minute. But preferable after he is reelected, they would like to give the former vice president almost 4 years to make all others forget about Trump.
Read post #9, and BTW I also agree a bit with the OP in the sense that incumbency is a very powerful thing.
I am not even commenting on whether the prediction is that Trump will win or lose. The fact is, most (all?) of the people making predictions in this thread failed miserably predicting Trump in the past. Not just the election win, either. Probably a couple of dozen other predictions, from failing the particular states in primaries, to the “establishment” preventing him from winning, to one of the dozens of gaffes finally “dooming” him.
If there is one thing to be learned from this election cycle is that most people cannot predict Trump. Except Scott Adams, of course.
Then what’s the point of discussing his future at all, unless you’re arguing that when it comes to Trump, the default assumption should be that he will succeed? How is that any better?
As for Adams, I still think he was right for the wrong reasons.
As pointed before,I’m not impressed with Adams. And I was not correct about the final result of the election, but I did predict very early that the race was going to be a close one. With fears that Trump might have a chance.
In any case, by looking at who the friends of Trump were, then predicting how Trump was going to do if he became president was not too hard to guess. He, like Arpaio, can win reelections, but like him he is prone to have even Republicans grow tired of his costly crazy racist stunts.
Just because lightning strikes, doesn’t make lightning “not-rare.”
It’s not about Trump voters; it’s about much-higher Trump-opponent turnout.
That lightning struck a couple of dozen times. For more than a year. All to Trump’s advantage. If he was just “lucky”, he’s the luckiest man in the world.
If you read any of the articles about Trump’s budget plans, you will notice a massive cut in the safety net.
Go around to those white working class supporters and ask them: do you know any women who got married too young, had two or three kids, and then they got divorced, little child support, the women has a very marginal job? And they will answer sure: that’s my niece, cousin, sister or best friend’s daughter… These working class supporters will notice how that person is now hurting a lot more than before–and this will turn them against Trump.
The best argument against a second Trump term is that he’s an elderly, overweight man who chows down on fast food. Otherwise, yeah, don’t be surprised if he wins again. America took five years to realize GWB wasn’t a great leader and that took a disastrous war and a major city being flooded while the feds ran around in circles. Republicans have a lot of slack.
Trump had a dozen or more scandals that would’ve sunk any other campaign. Supposedly Ford saying the Soviets weren’t in Eastern Europe doomed him. Trump said the same thing about Russia and Crimea and hardly anyone batted an eye. Just another Tuesday.