Prediction: Trump wins re-election in 2020

I fully expect Trump to keep on doing horrible things for the next four years. But if none of those horrible things cause anyone who voted for him to change their mind, then he at least has an awfully good chance at being re-elected. What’s he going to do that will actually cost him any of the votes he won in 2016?

Some of the reasons people voted for Trump in the general election include (in no particular order):
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[li]He was the candidate most likely to put pro-life justices on the Supreme Court[/li][li]He was the candidate most likely to support the agenda of the Congressional Republicans[/li][li]He’s an immigration hard-liner[/li][li]He says things which are politically incorrect[/li][li]He pisses off the “coastal elites”[/li][li]He’s openly critical of Islam and Muslims.[/li][/ol]
For the first two of those, sure, there are a lot of Republicans who’d be a better fit, but once Trump won the primary, that sort of voter coalesced around him as their best choice among those who still had a chance of winning. For them, he was electable and good enough. Those voters weren’t willing to risk electing a Democrat by challenging the Republican nominee; they certainly aren’t going to support a primary challenge now that he’s the sitting President.

As for the others, he’s doing exactly what won them over during the campaign. They aren’t going to turn around and say “Well, I was cool with him demonizing Muslims and threatening to discriminate against them, but now that he’s actually doing it, that’s a bridge too far.”

You might say: “What about the people who end up losing their health insurance if the Republicans gut Obamacare?” While I could see some people flipping from opposing Obamacare to supporting the reinstatement of an Obamacare-like plan once they realize they were benefitting from it, I find it hard to see someone switching from “I’m going to vote for the party that has made Obamacare-opposition their signature issue” to “I’m going to vote for whoever promises to bring back my Obamacare.” The people who were primarily driven by Obamacare opposition aren’t likely to switch their view on it. And the people who disliked Obamacare because they supported Republican politicians or listened to Republican media personalities for other reasons, and those Republicans said Obamacare was bad – those people will still have those other reasons to keep supporting the Republicans.

You might say: “What about the people who expected him to bring back manufacturing jobs?” (I presume he’ll mostly fail at that, since the jobs he claims were lost to Mexico and China have, in reality, mostly been replaced by automation.) “What about the people who expected him to ‘drain the swamp?’” I suspect those are really just the same folks who feel abandoned by the establishment, and like Trump because his rhetoric infuriates that same establishment. They never really had much hope the government would do anything for them; mostly, they were angry at their loss of economic opportunity and used their vote to express that anger. When Trump fails to create jobs for them, but keeps pissing off the folks they blame or resent, they’ll still see him as their guy (at least, more so than the Democratic candidate), and they’ll shrug and say “Well, he’s doing the best he can given all the red tape and corruption in Washington.”

The other way Trump loses, even if he keeps basically the same votes he had, is if Democrats turn out in greater numbers. But really, if all the abhorrent things he said during the campaign weren’t motivation enough, why will it be any different now that he’s actually doing them?

I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

What about when the white working class realize in 4 years that immigrants are still everywhere, they still can’t pay their bills, there aren’t enough jobs, health care is still unaffordable, ISIS is still a problem, etc? The magic heydeys of the 50s when white men had tons of jobs and were on top of the pyramid are over, what happens when Trump can’t deliver? Trump made a lot of promises he can’t keep. Also Trump ran on ‘draining the swamp’ and he got into power and now he is declaring war on consumer protections, filling his administration with bankers, he may push supply side tax cuts, medicare and medicaid might be cut, etc.

Also liberals and democrats weren’t that motivated in 2016. We had had 8 years of Obama in the white house, Hillary wasn’t too exciting for the base and there was some resentment over Bernie. Those things shouldn’t be issues in 2020. In 2020 the democratic base will be energized and unified.

The only way I can see Trump becoming a 2 term president is if the economy does amazing. 4% growth rate, 300k+ jobs a month, lots of high paying jobs. Unless he does that, he probably won’t win again. But I never thought he’d win the first time.

There is every indication that the GOP will lose disastrously in 2020:

  1. Trump is virtually guaranteed to be deeply unpopular by then, if he is even still POTUS. If he doesn’t run again, a’la LBJ, the Republicans lose maybe 360-178 EVs or something. If he does run again, maybe 400-138. (Ballpark, not exact, figures.)

  2. The Republicans have many more Senate seats to defend in 2020 than the Democrats, due to Republican gains from the 2014 midterms.

  3. Trump won’t be able to deliver on his promises to his core voters, who will be angry at him then.

  4. In the same way that some folks who date abusive people for the “excitement” eventually begin to long for “boring but good” partners after a while, the American voting electorate, after 4 years of random, haphazard, here-and-there, unpredictable, bombastic Trump, will be desperately longing for a stable, plain, bland, establishment candidate again - and the Democrats will be committing a big blunder if they believe that the lesson of 2016 is that they need to nominate a celebrity or anti-establishment candidate to win. They needed to go anti-establishment in 2016 (and failed,) but need to be pro-establishment in 2020.

Oh, I like how you’re being cautious. Only “ballparking” the electoral college numbers four years from now between two unnamed candidates. Lol.

Trump certainly made lots of promises he can’t possibly keep, but my suspicion is that the voters those promises were directed at voted less on the basis of believing he’d be able to deliver on all that, and more on the basis of his rhetoric communicating that he was “their guy”. My read on this demographic is that they perceive government as having failed them, they recognize at least a fairly sizable chance that it will continue to fail them, and that being the case they’d rather vote for the guy whose exaggerated political promises focused more on their needs than on those of the “others” who’ve been taking what they once had.

Admittedly, I’m ascribing motivations to a group of which I’m not a member. But it’s a more charitable take than the widely espoused one: “White, working-class voters were just too dumb to see through Trump’s lies.” If that were the case, I still wouldn’t be placing a big bet on them getting much smarter in four years. You think Trump will have any more trouble blaming the continued struggles of the white working class on “activist judges” and “bad deals” he inherited from Obama, than he had blaming Mexicans and Muslims?

Liberals may not have loved Hillary, but they hated Trump. I’ve observed a reaction of “Look what a horrible job Trump is doing as President – at least that means we’ll be rid of him in 4 years.” But he hasn’t been horrible in a surprising way; he’s been horrible in exactly the way we were all screaming that he was horrible. So why would that change anything?

This. Why do people on this board make crazy “predictions” without so much as a scrap of evidence or basis for them? Of all the things Trump has done, I would’ve thought one of the biggest would be to make many here question their predictive abilities, but no, they carry on as if they weren’t just horribly wrong.

Well, I do look at past history and I do think that Trump can win again. Provided that he gets rid of Bannon and other bigoted incompetents early in the first term. But if he does get reelected, right away after his reelection the chickens will come to roost, and they will be so huuuuge that Trump will be impeached and be the first one to be actually removed from office.

And Trump will still make money out of the whole deal while everybody else will get stiff…

Yes, we were wrong. We thought that the American people were too smart to swallow his line of BS. The Republicans knew better. (And yet, we’re the ones that get labled as condescending.) But I don’t know anybody who, once having swallowed BS, will ask for a second helping.

I posted this back in September:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19667784&postcount=5
"I think the most likely outcome [for America] is what we saw in Arizona in a huuuuuuuge scale. Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been doing a lot of what Trump dreams to do to America, with the nasty result being that his authoritarianism has cost the state close to 50 million [more than a hundred from other sources] dollars in court costs and defense attorneys. [just make the costs Trump will get into and the bill to in proportion this time to the American government budget]

Mostly paid by the taxpayers of Arizona. **Besides the costs for local business due to lost revenue and several not coming to Arizona because of the racial profiling and laws that affect minorities. (It is better now because the federal government did limit the new laws and the reach of the sheriff) those court costs are one big reason why other areas, like investigating rapes, have suffered because of the priorities that many people that vote for the likes of Arpaio like to see.

I can see Trump doing lots of things for all those that voted for him. And so a lot of treasure will be lost with the constant legal fights that a lot of people will bring against Trump when he will make orders that eventually will be declared illegal, or that by the time the courts or the legislative branch react to the underhanded measures of Trump, it will be too late for many.
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In essence: what a strange game, the only winning move is not to vote for Trump… and don’t let his hackers get the launching codes either."

Arizona was really unwise to ignore the lesson that that close association of Trump and Arpaio did show. Thanks to that incredibly close association the writing on the wall was already there; unfortunately, just a bit higher number of voters in several battleground states were not wise.

He was deeply unpopular before the election, and won anyway.

What if Trump’s core voters turn out to have been motivated more by anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-immigrant resentment, and less by just being dumb enough to believe all Trump’s promises.

Are you really comfortable banking on the belief that a sizable fraction of the electorate was just too stupid to see through Trump’s obvious lies, and yet will be smart enough in four years to see through Trump’s excuses?

I just can’t imagine why anybody finds you condescending. It’s nigh inconceivable. :rolleyes:

Does this mean you don’t know a single person who approves of the job Obama has done so far?

He won with Bannon the first time around. Why in the world would you think he has to dump him to win again? And why would it have to be “early in the first term”? The “Trump will be impeached” stuff is just a perfectly ridiculous confirmation of my post above. It’s a completely irrational and baseless wild-ass guess, and yet you state it with such certainty.

I’m a bit more pessimistic than you. I think if the economy generally remains where it is (e.g., slow modest growth rate, no oil price spikes, static unemployment rate), voters would still give Trump the benefit of the doubt. However, what could result in Trump being a one-term president is if he gets the US involved in a pointless and costly conflict that stems from his bellicosity, ham-handedness, and ignorance in foreign policy matters. In terms of everything I’m worried about the Trump Administration inflicting on the US, that one is at the top.

That is because I know history and take into account what happened to Nixon, Trump has many more scandal land mines ready to be triggered. You must also not had noticed that I’m cynical enough to think that Trump is likely to be re-elected. Of course, if the dead weight in his administration is not removed soon…

Then I will change my estimations, not willing to call them a prediction yet. In any case I showed already that my estimation of how his authoritarianism was going to make a mess in the courts and cost America a lot was right on the money.

Well., look at history. What did in Nixon was not Democratic opposition, but Republicans coming to the realization that they could no longer stand behind him. It would, it goes without saying, take the same thing to happen to trump. We are seeing some very small glimmerings of this in recent statement by McConnell, but only glimmerings.

Oh, and Obama’s approval rating upon leaving office was 53%.

So we’re just assuming Trump runs for reelection now?

There are a couple of Washington Post articles I read, in which a University of Wisconsin professor describes what she learned by interviewing rural white Trump supporters: this one from before the election, and this one after.

This part in particular struck me:

These were enthusiastic Trump supporters, who were feeling optimistic in the immediate aftermath of the election, and already when pressed they would say, “Well, it won’t actually make much difference for us.”

I find it hard to imagine these people turning against Trump when, sure enough, things don’t get any better for them, or even keep getting worse. It’s not really about what they expect him to do for them, it’s about the fact that he’s giving voice to their resentment.

I do think that the scandal land mines are already activated, but they will be simmering in the background for years. I’m cynical enough to realize that incumbency is still a powerful thing, and it may allow Trump to eke another victory for Trump but by then the scandals will be hard to hide.

Republican self preservation is still another powerful force to be reckoned with, particularly when they see that the ship is going down.

Don’t see that is too hard to imagine, the key to me is this:

“But at least he’s going to balance the books and stop spending money that we don’t have.”

And I would like a pony too, that is not going to happen as deficits are not a problem if the Republicans are in control. As a good number of those voters voted for Obama before, it is more likely that while they would not be disappointed on having some promises to be broken by Trump, that they would indeed be upset to find that key promises that they got are broken.

Democracy isn’t about choosing the best government. It’s about allowing the people a voice in their governance. All people. Including the idiots.

The Democrats had better learn how to pander, and fast.