Pregnant Dopers & Doper Moms

Do you want to see more stories? (And my mom had her last kid at 39, just so you know…)

I have one kid and one on the way, am currently about 22 weeks pregnant. So far they are pretty similar; the first trimester I spend hungry and nauseated, though not throwing up, and grumpy about it (I have to eat again?!). Second trimester is lots of fun; you get nice baby-kicking, you look cutely pregnant, your energy is back, and your tummy isn’t in the way yet. Third trimester for me was pretty miserable–I was huge and it was summer, so I swelled up a lot too. I expect I’ll be just as huge this time, but at least it’ll be spring.

My labor started off great, I progressed well and was handling things just fine. Got up to 8cm with no problems, and then stuck for 6 hours and used up all my energy. I was falling asleep between contractions (which were 2-3 minutes apart from the start) and waking up at the height of them with no way to handle the pain. Anyway after 24 hours of labor, I had a c-section (I couldn’t stop shaking from the exhaustion). Baby G was over 10 lbs. and had been turned over; she never descended and was quite, quite stuck. So hooray for modern technology, because I would have been one of those who labored for 3 days and then died. A c-section isn’t too bad really; I could sit up, and the incision wasn’t that big.

So this time, I’m considered a bad risk for a VBAC (vaginal birth after cesarean) on account of I’m expected to produce another enormo-baby. So we get to schedule another c-section. I will almost certainly never give birth the usual way, and that’s OK with me, though I would have liked to.

So my kid is 2.5 now, and she’s really great; we have a lot of fun. I stay home with her. She drives me batty too, but it’s worth it. (Or did you think I was going to say otherwise? :p) I’m looking forward to having another one; it’s a girl, so we’ll have sisters.

I’m always up for more stories! I don’t know why the subject fascinates me so much right now… :wink:

Cricket

Hi cricket!
I’m just checking back in to maybe temper my first post a bit. I’m preggy again–due in June–and although I was sick for the first couple months, it’s gradually tapered off and I’m now feeling great. I keep telling myself this means I’ll get a girl this time. But then I yell at myself for thinking that because it’s a total jinx, plus I know I’ll adore whatever I get. :smiley:

I think it’s about time for another “Pregnant Doper Check-In” thread. I know there’s a ton of us, again. We seem to be a pretty fertile bunch around here, so you’re in good company should you choose to dive into mamahood.

Cricket Just wanted to let you know that we are kind of in the same boat.

I am fascinated by all the baby stories. I’ve actually started crying a couple times in the thread because I’m just really longing to get pregnant!

My husband is not on the bandwagon yet, but I’m trying not to pressure him. He’s 26 and I’m almost 25. I want to start trying no later than May of 2004. That’s 3 years after our wedding, and that should be long enough. Of course, if hubby gave the thumbs up, I’d start trying right now!

haha

Um, thank you for listening. haha

b]did you have a really easy, wonderful, glowing pregnancy? An awful, terrible pregnancy? Somewhere in-between? **

First pregnancy, loads of rotten symptoms. Morning sickness, sciatica, you name it, I had it. When one annoying/obnoxious thing ended, another started. However, I loved being pregnant. It was really amazing. There’s a whole other person being made, right in there! Every move, every change, totally cool. Being pregnant was a pain, but that didn’t mean I suffered. I didn’t suffer. I loved it. :slight_smile:

Second pregnancy, I forget. No really, I kept forgetting that I was even pregnant! Technically, that was my fourth pregnancy, as I’d miscarried twice (officially, possibly one other early failure). Miscarrying sucks, by the way, but it is not at all uncommon. Anyway, when your life gets busy with one child, the second pregnancy isn’t as fun. Plus, you’ve done it before. It isn’t the magic first time a being was created in your belly. Might as well enjoy that first time for all it is worth. I swore (!!) that I would enjoy my second pregnancy as much as the first, that I wouldn’t be one of those mommies who is all blase’ about pregnancy the second time. Oops. Wrong. Sigh.

I’m not much of a glower, though - I don’t look great pregnant, and yes, the second time I got unpleasant symptoms, too. And odd health effects (positive for Gest Diabetes on the 1hr test, neg on the 3 hour, and polyhydramnios - too much amniotic fluid). But it is still cool. And there’s nothing at all like when the bonding kicks in - nothing on the planet like that feeling.

**Were any of you sort of ambivalent about babies at first? **
Not really - but clueless, certainly! I recall clearly while I was pregnant that my SIL offered to let me hold her infant son. I declined, and suggested that epeepunk could hold him instead. She replied in an oh-so-casual way that perhaps HE didn’t need the practice, and I did. :eek: And she was right. He knew all about babies, having babysat the elder nieces as babies. I, however, was at a loss with babies. I was glad of the classes the Birth Center offered. And my doulas and mom were around after the birth, too. Big helps. Fortunately my instincts kicked in solidly, and I did pretty well from the get-go. It was an utterly amazing experience, becoming a mom. Brain flattening and rewiring. Potent, spiritual, profound, humbling.

**And what about your age? If you’re older, do you think your age made your pregnancy easier/harder? **
I was 31 for the first, and 35 for the second. Age does have an impact, but it is not insurmountable. Fertility issues also do occur more often, and that really sucks when you suddenly want a baby. Male age also affects the baby - older man means higher rate of failures (chromosomal).

Despite my age, my fertility rate is pretty stunning. I get pregnant immediately, as long as I actually ovulated. But I’m also having anovulatory cycles now and then, so that affects the conception score. And so far, I’m only 1 for 2 in actually keeping the pregnancy once it takes.

Glad you got “Taking Charge of Your Fertility” That would be my advice, too.

Another good book is The Unofficial Guide to Having a Baby - starts from before pregnancy, covers charting temps, trying, infertility, losses, pregnancy, birth, and postpartum, all options with no preaching (helps you pick what options/approaches suit you, rather than telling you what is right/best). Assumes you have a brain.

Other stuff… Birth was amazing, powerful, and cool. And the most physical effort I’ve ever put out, but worth it. Did Bradley method the first time, and HypnoBirthing the second. Bradley worked well enough, but definitely I’d go with HB from now on. Even with pitocin augmentation (due to a nit backup OB), no problems and no pain other than crowning burn. Intense, not at all ‘easy’ (hard work, labor), but not painful. And that’s with a 9lb 6 ozer with a 15.5 inch head.

Any other questions? I’m a pregnancy/birth junkie (I’ve also contributed to a few published pregnancy/parenting books and am writing one), so if I don’t know it, I may be able to point you to it. Feel free to email, too. :slight_smile:

SAHM checkining in.

Two pregnancies here. Two kids. One of each sex. No problems. (Couldn’t breath through my nose for 10 months both times, but that is uncommon.) No complications. Basic aches and pains. Second pregnancy I barely remember being pregnant because I was so busy with a toddler. Did epidural both times. Made the experience great.

Would do it again in a heart beat. In. A. Heart. Beat. (So I can get in all the names I would like to name the next one out of my system.)

Likes babies. Doesn’t mind toddlers. ( 1 was a peice of cake. 2 is Der Furher /Martha Stewart around here.) We are now at the stage where we can give them Xmas presents that we can really like too. Hotwheels anyone?

I’m 22, 23 in about a month and due in February. This is our first, and probably only baby. He’s always known that he wanted kids, I wanted them for a long time, and then decided that maybe I really didn’t, but then decided again that I really did. We were going to wait until he got out of the Navy, which will be when I’m 27 and he’s 28, but earlier this year, decided that we wanted to do it now. I went to the doctor, made sure everything was okay, started taking prenatal vitamins, and got pregnant within a week or two.
The pregnancy has been fairly easy. We were moving from South Carolina to New York during my first trimester, and I was already so exhausted that I ended up sleeping on the floor one day, with a towel as a pillow. I had morning sickness for a while, but that died off pretty quickly, and other than that, everything’s been fine. I’m gaining a ton of weight (10 pounds in a month once! I don’t know where it’s all going, I assume to my thighs and butt, since I can’t see them anymore.), about 35 pounds so far, but I’m not really worried about that, because as far as everything’s shown, our little girl is healthy and happy. I hope the delivery is as easy as the pregnancy has been.

Here are a couple interesting books:

Misconceptions by Naomi Wolf. Political, feminist stuff, of course, and a lot about the medical industry.

Having Faith, by ecologist Sandra Steingraber. VERY cool first third of book is about embryology and how everything starts. Last two thirds of book, terrifying stories of the impact of all kinds of things on developing babies, but good information. Be very grateful you don’t live in the 50’s.

I also really enjoyed books on brain development in babies, etc.

If you’re in a position to choose, then a good rule of thumb is that you should only get pregnant when you absolutely can’t stand not to.

Because that way, when you start hitting the inevitable speed bumps (and morning sickness and swollen feet are only the beginning), you can look back and say philosophically, “Well, this is something that I wanted to do more than anything else in the world, so be careful what you ask for, huh?”

If you go into it like you’d go into a business decision, like buying a house, that’s not good. You can always resell the house that turns out to be the Wrong House, but Parenthood is for life.

Also, I don’t encourage women to have a baby just because “they feel like they ought to experience Motherhood”, the same way I don’t encourage people to breed their dog just because “they feel like she ought to experience Motherhood”. Having a baby demands a higher level of emotional and mental commitment than, say, going on an Amazon eco-tour, or getting multiple body piercings.

That said, go for it! :smiley: I’ve had three, it’s great.

And, I was 29, 32, and 35. Don’t look at the calendar to try and figure out how much trouble you’ll have getting pregnant–look at your mother. How much trouble did she have getting pregnant? How many kids did she have, or could she have had if she wasn’t using birth control? That’s a fairly good indicator of how much trouble you’ll have getting pregnant.

Go ask her. This is a splendid opportunity to talk to your mom like another human being, and she’ll tell you things you never suspected about her and your dad. :smiley:

I’ll second that! I was talking to my mom after #1 about how much my episiotomy hurt (nothing like ice packs on the hootchie!) and she told me that when she had hers (we are both petite), the doctor gave her three stitches- one for the baby, one for her, AND ONE FOR MY DAD! Then, when she mentioned to him that the first sex was kinda painfull, the doc laughed and said “Do you feel like you’re sweet 16 and never been kissed all over again?”

Hell of a kidder, that OB/GYN!

Seriously Cricket, I would do it again in a NY minute. I love being pregnant, and you will be giving yourself and the world such an incredible gift.

Not to mention any “trying to be polite but what the HELL’S taking so long” grandma types you might have hanging around!

I put having a baby on my five year plan when I turned 30. Not easy since my husband is sterile and I really wanted to conceive in an act of love. Three years later, I am pregnant, and I got my wish. YAY!!! 21 weeks so far and everything is perfectly normal.

What I want to know is now that I am pregnant, why do so many people want me to plan to have a second child??? I wanted a baby. I am growing a baby. It really looks like I can’t conceive the same way again anyway. People are already acting like I am a bad mom for not wanting more kids.

Did you have a really easy, wonderful, glowing pregnancy?

I don’t know yet, it’s not over. The best book I can recommend is The Girlfriend’s Guide To Pregnancy I found it covered a lot of what I was feeling at the times I was feeling it :).

Being pregnant is a heady experience, it effects everything in your life in some way or another. If I hadn’t gotten any migraines my first trimester would’ve gone fine, except very, very tired. I just had a handful of morning sickness experiences (Dicletin helped out on those). Second trimester was wonderful, except I found my hips achy from sleeping on my side (chiropractor helped that out). So far the last trimester hasn’t been the most amount of fun, tired (it comes back), achy pelvis, huge body.

The best parts are when you feel the baby kick or move and remember a little person is growing in there.

The hormones suck. I sobbed the other night, after I found evidence of a few stretchmarks on my upper thighs, I mean, no big deal, but combine it with hormones and YIKES!

I also didn’t expect it to affect my hubby this much, we aren’t having a lot of sex right now, partially because he is having some psychological issues about the “three” of us making love, and also because he can’t “throw me around” like he used to :).

Were any of you sort of ambivalent about babies at first?

I never used to think I would have a baby, I thought I would just get a dog or two. I think it takes the right guy and the right timing to feel enthusiastic.
**And what about your age? If you’re older, do you think your age made your pregnancy easier/harder? **

I’m only 26, but I’m glad I decided to do it now. I am getting really close now (I’m at 36 weeks now) and am ready for the pregnancy to be over, plus I’d like to meet this little person.

(off to find some spicy food, walk alot and generally try to induce myself)

Oh cricket I’m tickled that you got TCOYF. I hope that you enjoy it and learn as much from it as I did.

FTR: My kid was born August 12 and I TOTALLY FELL IN LOVE. She barfs on me, is awake 3 times a night, wants my attention 99% of the day & needs me to manage her every bodily function and somehow still I don’t mind. She is amazing. So this is me weighing in to say belladonna was right on the money.

Twiddle

**major hijack ** A glimpse into a mommy’s brain.

Another note, having a baby is not just planning a pregnancy and birth…it is the rest of your life.

It is a huge commitment.

Parenthood - and lets not kid ourselves - Mommyhood (as we tend to do most of the work no matter how hands-on our spouses are) is not all about sunshine and butterflies and sitting together in quiet little moments of perfection.

Those moments are exactly that. Fluttering by for a stop like a butterfly. Then a big gust of wind comes along…

The rest of the time you or your child are either in moments of constant stickiness, crabbiness, whininess, stinkyness and if you aren’t you are *constantly * looking for matching shoes, socks and clothes ( and that is just theirs, your’s, incase you are wondering what happened to that Oh-so-
Fab wardrobe you use to wear is obsolete either by tits to big because of breast feeding, or droopy becaouse of breastfeeding.

The pants don’t fit ( maybe after baby #1, but after the second child, fergetaboutit) because you now have a bouncy chunk cottage cheese that no matter how much you suck it in it pooches out. Your thighes look like a pro-speed skater gone to seed.

Your upper arms, on the other hand, are in such superb shape from lifting kids all day long that you could arm wrestle a truck driver and win.

You don’t have time to work out and if you do have time to work out, you don’t have the money. If you have the time and the money to work out you feel guilty about leaving the baby ( again, 1st) for a nano-second. So, you are content to go for walks pushing the stroller with your perfect baby, stop to get ice cream and eaten up by mosquito’s along the way. Eventually you just drive to get the ice cream because, well, it’s easier and you have to conserve your energy for those long nights of room service.
You don’t have time to get a hair cut and if you do, you feel guilty about spending the money on something for yourself. ( never mind the fact that your husband, Mr. Perfect, will buy tools or go golfing or hunting - needing assorted newer things for his manly pursuits - and spend five times the amount on than your basic upkeep that he will never really use but had to have ) and so to cut corners from your $40 hair cut ( tip not included) you downgrade to cheaper salons ( whilst hubby buys/golfs/hunts more) eventually ending up at some plebian salon where they advertise ALL-HAIRCUTS- $10.

There is a reason why every haircut is $10. These girls are fresh out of beauty school and learning the ropes. So after one or two not-exactly-what-you-want-cuts, you decide you are going to grow your hair out…and you do, it will make you feel young again and you will be able to wear a pony tail.

Then after awhile, you notice all the other moms with kids in your age range have long hair, pulled back in a pony tale. And bad hair days are covered by baseball caps, not curlers, like our mothers wore in public.

It is the new uniform of the Millenneum Mom. Jeans. Sweat Shirt. Baseball cap. Minivan. Cell Phone. Gone are the days of curlers, bathrobe, station wagon with wood paneling.

And you realize, one day, as if coming out of a fog, whilst standing there looking at the sticker selection at a scrapbook store ( fercryingoutloud) in your elastic waist pants, oversized sweatshirt, baseball cap on, that one day without being aware
*you became one of them *.

The Invisible Mommy Brigade.

Everything you use to mock you have become.

You go to home parties to socialize. You drive a minivan. You scrapbook, you! someone who’s photographs are always a shade off of the subject and some what unfocused. You have nothing in common anymore with your old unmarried or no-kids friends and find yourself enjoying your time at McDonald’s Playland ( also known as McPetrie Dish)

You are too old to be hip. You are too young to be taken seriously. Good looking younger men see right through you. Older men are charmed by your kids, but never notice you. Men your own age are exhausted ( like you) from the same ol’ same ol’.

Going out to the bar to tie one on and try to recapture your salad days is a wasted effort. Those days are wilted, not as palatable and the next morning is a pisser with kids running amok in the house. Concerts, fergetaboutit. The cost of two tickets at todays price and a babysitter puts you into the doghouse quickly.

So you compromise and buy the CD and then feel guilty over buying the CD because it costs more than your $10 haircuts you are not longer getting and besides you can still stay hip on by listening to the radio, so you do that. Until your children are introduced to the *Wiggles * and there goes all your music time. Car, shower, kitchen. All Wiggles. All-The-Time.

But it ain’t so bad, you say, after your 900th playing of “Captian Feathersword” ( Who likes to dance in his pirate pants) kinda catchy… Could be worse. could be Barney. You say.

And another MB of mental hard drive is lost.
This doesn’t include sickness, boo-boos and the ever popular tattle taling. Or the midnight terrors, bedwetting, and general nepotism over appliances that you bought and paid for before they were an itch in your pants. Watching your children stand before an open refridgerator door *every time * in a state of utter and complete awe as if it were Ali Baba’s Cave opening up will cease to be amusing when you realize your precious little angels have eaten their weight in butter that morning.

And if your husband gets sick…hooooboy…it’s worse than if the kids are ill.

And meal times are the worst. Nobody wants to eat anything you prepared, except the dog. (The only time that the dog is on your side. The rest of the time they are on the wrong side of the door waiting for you to open the door for them.) so the dog eats the mac and cheese, the kids polish off a yogurt and salami sandwich ( no bread), you take comfort in a bag of chocolate chips and hubby gets a TV dinner. If cattle prods could be used on children, it would be at meal times.

And what is possibly more horrifying than that is you find yourself at a party. No kids. All adults. Big People Conversation. You can relax and sharpen your brain with intellectual conversation like you use to have.

And then it starts…

*My baby this…

My husband is such an idiot…

We are so broke…

I don’t know why this always happens to me…*
The exact same conversation every time. The players may change, but they are always the same: Boastful, Whiner, Dumbass and Co-Dependant. The Four Dwarves, and you are the Fifth, Crotchety. But it is the exact same conversation.

And you realize…

OHMYGOD!!!

These people, your * friends,* your *family * are so far in the box that they are just *one of them * now.

And then you worry…

The worst possible worry…

The worst worry imaginable…

*Have I turned into my mother? *

You have been tuning your mother for so long that upon investigation, under the guise of *quality time * you are stunned to realize that your Mother has become *one of them * too.
So you vow that you will be different.

You will raise your children to think for themselves.

You will keep things fresh in mind, exept you can’t remember anything but Wiggles lyrics; spirit (if you weren’t so tired.) and …uh…body.

You will learning something new every day. (Like the hiding places where you kids hide your keys, remote or your shoe.)

You will take your kids to new and exciting learning experiences to help them grow.

Like soccer and baseball to show team work ( and to tire the buggers out).

And Gymnastics. To learn how to focus ( and to tire the buggers out.)

And ballet, so they learn to be graceful and have rhythm. ( and to tire the buggers out.)

Swimming. (essentially to tire the buggers out.)

and horseback riding because your parents never did it for you.

Doing it all in your minivan. Wearing a sweatshirt. Baseball cap on. Wiggles blaring over the wails of your fighting children strapped in the back.

Vowing to be different.

Just like everyone else.

*Hey kiddies! I’m Captain Feathersword! I love to Dance! In my Pirate Pants! *

oh boy.

haha

I’ll add to Shirley’s negativity - because, although I love my kids - there are days when I also wish I didn’t have them and if you are interested in being a parent, there needs to be a “truth in motherhood” statement.

We spent three years trying to get pregnant. Although Taking Charge of your Fertility is a wonderful book for fertile people - everyone in the author’s world get pregnant if they just time it right! Yeah, right. Her explainations into infertility are overly simplistic.

And I have to disagree with the “look at your mom to see if you will get pregnant easily” None of my relatives in the previous generation had any problems. My sister and I both suffered from infertility (she still is).

Once I got pregnant, I hated it. It wasn’t bad as pregnancies go - but I really resented being the “vessel.” Tired, cranky and hormonal for nine months - and tired, cranky and hormonal for about five afterwards. It might have been different if I’d been expecting it at all, but we had given up and adopted our son by the time we were surprised by our daughter on the way - so I was pregnant and a new mom of a baby at the same time! Yeah! I was 31 when my daughter was born, and I think younger and/or in shape does help your body bounce back faster - although some of us are just prone to stretch marks, gestational diabetes, toxemia, hemmeroids, or three day labors.

Still tired (my kids are three and four). They still wake up in the middle of the night - currently my son is learning to sleep in underwear - at least when I was breastfeeding, I could sleep and nurse - getting up to do a complete bed change in the middle of the night is a new joy. They still climb on me and need me to sit with them until I am completely touched out. And my body will never recover. Cottage cheese tummy, droopy breasts, splotches on my skin and stretch marks everywhere. Not to mention the IQ points lost to Mommyness. My husband and I talk in minutes - stretching a ten minute conversation over days.

And I’m lucky. We aren’t broke by a longshot. My mother is an eager grandmother. Nearly all our friends have kids about the same age, so our social life has changed (outings to the Children’s Museum or hanging at the house watching Lion King instead of dancing until 2am or watching the Die Hard movies), but we still have one. I have a job outside the home I enjoy (so I get adult conversation), my husband is wonderful, I have a housekeeper - so I don’t clean my own house and only do about 20% of my own laundry.

Pregnancy is not easy. Labor is not easy. Babies cry for two hours on end. Toddlers have forty minute tantrums. Preschoolers learn to entertain Grandma by saying “Fuck Off” - and I’m not even sure what new joy is in store (but we HAVE to break my daughter’s will before she becomes a teenager). You may not watch an R rated movie at home for years - or finish a book in a single sitting - or just sit in the bathtub by yourself - hell, you aren’t going to pee by yourself for several years, because the moment you leave your kid to run to the bathroom, he scales the kitchen.

Those butterfly moments make it worth it. But they are fleeting.

Yes, yes, the butterfly moments are definately worth it, but no one ( not magazines or movies) tells you what it is really like.

Wow, you leave a thread for just a little while and suddenly it explodes! This is great stuff you guys- I am really enjoying reading it all. It’s nice, too, to have some slightly negative posts to keep it all balanced. I think it’s all too easy (or it could be, for me) to concentrate on the fantasy -I’ll get pregnant right away, it’ll be a glowing, easy pregnancy, my baby will be perfect, well behaved and quiet, I’ll still be able to work 40 hours, come home, take care of the baby, etc. It’s also too easy sometimes to forget that they’re only babies for a year or two, but your children forever. Whew!

Thanks for some of the other book suggestions. I’ll definitely check them out.

DDG - my mom and I are really close and have talked about some of this stuff already. In some ways, though, it’s hard to compare since she was pregnant at 21 and a mom at 22 (hey, I was conceived at the end of the Summer of Love :smiley: ). I’m already 34 and that’s gotta make a difference. I do know she had stretch marks (damnit - since I’ve inherited so many other traits from her I’m sure that’ll be one of 'em)!

I also suspect I’ll be one of those that doesn’t have a “sunshine and butterflies” pregnancy. I already take serafem a couple of weeks a month to keep me from killing poor Mr. Cricket and I worry that nine months of extra hormones (and NO serafem!) will turn me into Queen Bitch on Wheels and leave my poor husband cowering in a corner screaming “make her go away!”

DDG - you also made a good point about not doing it just because you think you should experience it. I suppose that’s why I was so ambivalent for so long - just that sudden thought that “ohmigod - I can’t return it”. It certainly is a permanent change!

Dangerosa - forty-minute-tantrums…? :eek: Isn’t there even the smallest chance I could have The Perfect Baby? After all, didn’t FairyChatMom have the Perfect Child??

The cool thing about parenthood is that you can read brilliantly written ‘negative’ commentary about parenthood, and love it, laugh, agree with 95% of it (I’ve got some different variations, it seems), and still love your kids.

Shirley, that was utterly wonderful. Having had my older son’s school feast day today, with 1-year-old in tow, with 4 meltdowns from the 5-year old (and one freak-out from the 1-year-old), coming home to a house with shoes stuffed under the sofa and a stack of tissues on top (pulled out by said 1-year-old), my hair in a long ponytail… lets just say I could relate. :slight_smile:

And 45-minute tantrums would have been great. Gabe could go for two hours at times. He’s still a great kid. Just don’t do things out of order. Toddlers are obsessive compulsive little buggers. Change the rules at your peril.

hedra said:

See, now stuff like THAT is what makes me think this whole baby thing is a good idea.

Only, two hours??? Geez, and I thought 45 minutes was bad@

Cricket