Could you vote for a President that is a Scientologist? Let’s say you really liked him and his vision for the Nation but didn’t like his religion, is it a religion?, could you overlook that?
I liked John Travolta as an actor but just found out he is a Scientologist. I now think he is kooky.
The truth is generally seen, rarely heard. Gracian.
Interesting question.
The thing is, I highly doubt that I would like everything else about such a candidate. But even if I did, I don’t think I could vote for a Scientologist. They are more than just “kooky” – they have done things that make me believe they would massively abuse the power of one of their own in the presidency (yes, even more than most).
I thought the same thing you did, David, that I would probably NOT like a whole lot of other things about the candidate. The thing about them is, they are able to network effectively, covertly, to hide their true agenda, whatever it is, and I’m sure they would put a clean, mainstream face on for the TV and try to look like the average American. They would tell us all what we wanted to hear, perhaps even hide their membership in Scientology, and then when they get into office try to put a benign face on their organization. Who knows?
The truth is generally seen, rarely heard. Gracian.
They already do that – and quite well. Whenever they are criticized, the put on their “Who, me?” innocent look, like they just cannot imagine why everybody is out to get them.
Hmmmm. Maybe we already do have a Scientologist in the White House…
I agree with David on this one. They are a nasty organization. That would be akin, in my book, to electing a Moonie.
Do you mean he camouflaged his E-meter as a sex toy?
My fellow Amer…uh…icans…
Darn… AMERICANS. Americans americans americans americans… No I’m not done auditing yet… ahh…
(Flipping in the Dictionery)
A·mer·i·can (A-mĕr’ĭ-kan)
adj. (Abbr. A., Amer.)
Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.
Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.
Of or relating to any of the Native American peoples. Indigenous to North or South America. Used of plants and animals.
American american american… THERE. I’ve cleared that one, I think. Where IS my E-meter?
Keep it together keep it together keep it together.
My fellow Americans (smiles),
You WILL do as I say because I can will you to do exactly as I say. Or so LRH told me. We’ve yet to document a case, but I’m taking it one OH Level at a time. And it only cost me $500,000, a steal for the public taxpayers of Amer…uh…ica. DAMN.
:rolleyes:
Tongue in cheek,
jai pey
(Sigh) Again, $cientology is NOT a religion. It is a secretive, corrupt, and money-grubbing cult that wrecks lives, based on the writings of a greedy and paranoid and eccentric drug addict, currently run by the sycophantic and cutthroat scumbags who comprised his inner circle.
No one who knows anything about $cientology - barring their own deluded and brainwashed adherents - would EVER, ever vote for a $cientologist to be President. (The only $cientologist in the federal government -that I know of - is Rep. Mary Bono, Sonny’s widow.)
Now of course, the “Church” has made great inroads during the Clinton Administration. For example, they have been granted tax-free status by the IRS (in 1993). This was the best thing they could have ever hoped for; it reduces the expenses of maintaining their vast real-estate holdings, but also gives them something to point to when they want to demonstrate that they are a legitimate faith on the exact same plane as, say, the Catholics or the Hindus.
It’s surprising that one only now comes to the knowledge that Travolta is a “$cieno”. He has been the most proselytizing celeb out there for years. Currently he is working on a film adaptation of L. Ron “Mr. Burns in his Casino Penthouse” Hubbard’s monstrosity, Battlefield Earth.
Look for the “Church” to be in the news a lot as this movie nears its opening date. They will say that it has nothing to do with $cientology, even though their doctrine states that everything LRH wrote is scripture. (Boy, do I hope this movie tanks.)
Other prominent $cienos include Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman (who at least don’t seem to preach much), Jenna “AIDS is not a disease but a poor tone of mind” Elfman (by far the most obnoxious), and CNN’s Greta Van Susteren (who is VERY reticent about being a cult member).
As always, my man Andreas Heldal-Lund’s webpage tells all about the evil excesses of this whacked-out organization. Please visit it and make yourself informed on the wicked Cult of $cientology.
www.xenu.net
I guess I knew that Jenna Elfman is a Scientologist, though I’d forgotten. I didn’t realize she said that AIDS is just a state of mind, not a disease. Jeez, where do these idiots come up with this stuff?
Hmmm. How’s this?
Certainly true prior to the Protestant Reformation, and still true in some denoms and churches today.
I’m not saying I believe this. What I know of Hubb beliefs sound completely wacko to me.
But I find it interesting to see this viewpoint while several debates in recent weeks have dealt with whether the Essenes, Mormons, wiccans etc, are “cults.”
-andros-
putting out fires with gasoline since 1965 . . .
As to the OP . . . no, John John, I don’t think I could vote for a Hubb for President. As others have said, if he’s really a scientologist, he’d show it in too many other ways.
And if he’s good enough to hide it completely, he’s not really a Scientologist.
-andros-
Heres’s a link to a web site a friend of mine started. http://www.scientology-kills.org/
He no longer designs it, a friend of his took it over and the design is not very good, but it has some information that might be useful for you.
BTW, bad-mouthing scientologists is akin to cutting your balls off Bobbitt style. Just FYI 
Andros, I have no doubt that in a couple centuries, Scientology will be a “religion” like all those others. Almost all started as “cults” in one way or another, and evolved. It will be interesting to see how Scientology evolves.
Don’t go to the site, his friend screwed it all up, it’s worthless now.
As a good friend of mine put it once, never trust any group that lies twice in its name.
A greater threat is that all presidents are - get this - POLITICIANS!
Yer pal,
Satan
AAAAAUUUUGGGGGHHHHH! Run for the hills! :eek:
Okay, maybe I’m just trying to play Devil’s Advocate (hey, Satan, I’m billing you by the hour, so get ready); but how is “I’d never vote for a Scientologist” any worse than “I’d never vote for a Catholic”?
After all, Catholics claim to have an understanding of the mysteries of life and of Truth that no other religion has; they constantly ask for money from their supporters; and any member of the religion is absolutely beholden to the words and decisions of the supreme leader of this ‘cult’. Having a Catholic as President would simply turn the reigns of government over to the Pope.
So would you be willing to vote for a devout Catholic as President?
JMCJ
This is not a sig.
yes, I think in a hundred years or so $cientologists will be mainstreamed and have lost their fringe reputation. Sad to think about that. I think they were granted religion status by the Government in this country, but Germany outlawed it. We’re that stupid? DUH!
Greta van Sustren is one? Bad enough she has a face light a wharthog, but now she’s a loony too? That’s a double whammy.
Anyway, we are all biased in not voting for a candidate based on their religion, $cientology, because of our view of it. We are right, of course, not to, but think about it, we’re biased? And that’s how they would market it to the public.
What was Hubbard’s real name before he took that monicker? Do they claim they came from outerspace, or some such shit?
The truth is generally seen, rarely heard. Gracian.
John C., that’s how they would sell that poop to the public. Tell me how they would be wrong? It’s scary stuff but they would have a point. Think about it?