Pride Month and The Politics of Identity

June is Pride Month!

So, in one of the LGBTQIA-centric Facebook groups I participate in, someone posted a link to a pride month calendar – similar to this one – and because it was June 2 at the time, said “Happy Lesbian Pride Day”.

It wasn’t terribly long before someone said in reply, “Why do we have to have all these separate days for specific categories of people? That’s silly! Pride Month should be about us coming together as a community and it should focus on our solidarity and diversity and how coming together empowers us. It shouldn’t be about dividing up the calendar so each little unique identity gets its own separate day!”

That, of course, is practically an echo of what mainstream straight folks often say about us, our activism, and Pride Marches and Pride Month altogether: “Can’t you just be a person, can’t we all just be people together, can’t you rejoice in your own unique individual identity instead of needing to label yourself and making a big deal about your labeled difference? Why does everyone have to be doing identity politics, anyway, it’s so divisive!”

And of course, the moment I point out that this kind of comment IS, in fact, reminiscent of what mainstream straight people say about Pride and etc in general, there’s going to be some people, like those white well-dressed gay guys over there, see them? They’re wincing because they’re expecting me to say “Check your privilege” and start comparing them to cisgender white males or something. And to say that the less socially visible parts of the LGBTQIA spectrum, like intersex people and genderqueer people (and definitely nontransitioning gender inverts like me), benefit from a little special attention if our identity is prominently noted on one of those calendar days (my specific one isn’t, by the way). Which I am (or, rather, I just did).

But relax, be at ease. I’m not winding up to blast anyone for not being sufficiently oppressed and marginalized enough to get off the blame-hook as being part of the problem, or to accuse anyone of keeping us more-marginalized types from escaping our silence and darkness.

I’m not choosing sides between those two positions so much as I’m putting them both out there so we can look at the sensible good points that exist in each of them.

Let’s start with Gay Rights. Think about this: the people seeking gay rights basically wanted to be mainstreamed. They were tired of gay people being targeted for different treatment. They wanted to be accepted as the nice guys next door, get married if they wanted to just like anyone else can, teach in your schools and sing in your church choir and go on dates to the local movie theatre and NOT stand out as different.

But because it wasn’t already like that, they had to draw attention to what they were being put through. “Look, this is how it is for us”, they said. And they challenged negative perceptions of gay people, things that folks said and believed about gay people that were used as justifications for not treating them as people like any other people. “Hey, over here, look at me, I am one of the people you described that way and it isn’t true. Don’t be hating on me, I’m not so different from you!”

Thus, in order to make progress towards the goal of being mainstreamed and being accepted and treated as people like any other people, it was necessary to talk about the categorical difference and make a social issue of how people in that category were subjected to different treatment.

Lesbians, at some point, became vocal about not feeling very recognized or included in gay rights. “Everyone pretends like on the one hand it doesn’t matter what women do with each other anyway, and on the other hand to whatever extent women-identified women are subjected to discrimination and hostility and unfair treatment, hey, getting gay rights for all gay people will fix stuff up for us too. But we have our own experiences, our own specific concerns that aren’t a carbon copy of the concerns of gay males, and we’re tired of being erased and ignored. We need to be included in making policy and setting goals and having our experiences described and respected too!”.

So after awhile, this sunk in enough that the specifically inclusive phrase “gay and lesbian” became common.

Fast-foward by a couple decades, and we’ve got this ever-expanding acronym and a Pride Month calendar that’s soon going to need more than one months’ worth of days. The specifics aren’t uninteresting or unimportant, but at the moment I want to stress the recurrent common pattern: some marginalized people came together to speak collectively about the barriers to being accepted and understood as ordinary people, and then, within that community, a subset of the participants felt that they needed to point out who they were and what they were being put through before they could really feel like this was THEIR movement and that it was giving THEM a voice, because otherwise the movement wasn’t all that much about them and people like them. And then another subset followed their lead and did likewise.

**If you were a bird, and you wanted to fly, you would need to beat your wings. And beating your wings means some of the time you are lowering your wings, while at other moments you are raising them upwards. It takes both motions to accomplish the beat.

We need a sense of connection, community, solidarity. We want shared identity, the sense of having an identity-in-common that bridges differences, the rejoicing of coming together in peace and joy. That’s the upbeat.

We need the separate experience of our unique situations to be understood and validated. We want to be heard, to have any collective understanding include us and our individual viewpoints. We need to challenge any uniform aggregate sense of “us” that leaves our individuality excluded and our specific vantage point unseen and unheard. That’s the downbeat.**

Let’s fly.

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This is yet another reposting of a blog post. OK’ed with the mods in advance.

I marched for Pride, back when it was still Gay Pride. And it was a MARCH, not a PARADE. And you’re right, it was predominantly a white male vanilla affair. It did marginalize women, bisexuals, transsexuals, people of color, people into SMBD, etc., etc., etc. It was a gay microcosm of society in general, with all the same misconceptions and prejudices that mirrored the overall society. And you’re right that one by one, the subsets of (and alternatives to) “gay” reared their heads and became visible. That’s why, today, it’s simply called PRIDE. And it became a PARADE, not a MARCH, to celebrate our victories over invisibility (but I do think this happened prematurely).

I’ve marched behind quite a few banners, over the years. Everything from “Gentle Men” to “Gay Men’s Chorus” to “Gay Male S/M Activists” to “Radical Faeries” to “Men of all Colors Together” to “ACT-UP”. And it’s never been unusual to find some of the same people switching groups, even in the same year. As time goes by and we’re further splintered, in another sense we’re more inclusive, in the respect that I no longer detect any attitude to the contrary. There’s no longer any attitude of “you’re not part of this parade; go get your own.” Our differences are now celebrated and everyone is welcome to flaunt their own; all you need is a sign or a banner to tell us who you are. But we’re all in the same parade.

Excellent OP.

People who are into the Straight Dope Message Board???

We’re all over the place. :grinning:

A large number of my transgender community will not go to Pride, because they feel that it has basically been taken over by two groups:

  • affluent, white gay males who view us transgender persons as quaint and amusing

  • very young non-binary/non-conforming persons who view binary transgender persons as gender Pol Pots, trying to force everyone into a collective that is unsustainable and deadly

Lesbians seem to feel a bit left out, increasingly. There’s actually a very large number of lesbians who will not go to Pride events because of the very strong male-dominated overtones, and due to harassment from genderqueer and non-binary persons.

I have seen Pride evolve over time into something that was once exclusive, went through a brief renaissance of much greater inclusion, and now is heading towards being a cis white gay male beach club. Furthermore, over the last few years Pride has also started to be taken over by furries, the BDSM community, and the “adult little girls.” At our local pride yesterday there were all sorts of boys in leather bondage gear being tied up and beaten in public, while wearing leather dog masks. As well as 20 to 60-something males dressed as foxes, complete with giant oversized costume feet right out of a cartoon. NONE of whom were in the LGBTQIA community. WTELF does this have to do with LGBTQIA rights? If the BDSM/consent communities and furries want a celebration, they should have one.

I think within 5-10 years Pride’s meaning may be so diluted and yet exclusive that it will be a very different animal. This is one reason I’m using my media connections and other resources to try to create trans-only resources here.

Yeah, I don’t really get the furry / otherkin thing either. I could totally accept it (from an outside but tolerant vantage point) as an erotic obsession or a lifestyle, but as a sexual/gender identity?!?? I’m on the fence about polyamory—I’m not unable to see it as a pervasive sense of identity and it is indeed about sexuality and the relationships thereof, although to me it feels more like a political choice than an intrinsic personal identity—but BDSM also feels more like a range of activities than an orientation. It’s hard when someone else says that for them “being in a leather family is as much a part of my sexual orientation as being a gay man is” or something of that ilk. I sure don’t feel qualified to play gatekeeper, I’m still getting used to the idea that I’m a legitimate participant myself.

ETA: I hope that even if transfolk and lesbians feel less inclined to be a part of pride parade, they don’t feel less inclined to participate in open discussions. I’m all about the verbal myself. I want to hear people’s stories and insights and understandings and stuff.

Una Persson: So let’s see if I understand this. Some types of people feel marginalized because they aren’t adequately represented in Pride. So their solution is to not participate at all… resulting in their being represented even less. And this is supposed to accomplish exactly what?

So now who is marginalizing whom? And who is not allowing whom to speak for themselves? BDSM is hardly a mere “range of activities”, as if there’s no difference between a human being and an actor. You might as well say that sex itself is a “range of activities”.

Well, that’s what I meant, panache45— “it’s hard when someone else says that for them (etc)” was intended to mean “When someone says this is their gender or orientation, I can’t use my lack of comprehension as sufficient reason to disregard them”.

But yeah, it’s given me some insight into the vantage point of people who have been similarly dismissive of my own identity statements. I’m not innocent of having some intolerant reactions, as displayed immediately above.

It doesn’t necessarily have to “accomplish” anything. People don’t go where they don’t feel comfortable.

We as a people are not defined nor represented by Pride. Pride is also not necessarily an altruistic event; in many cities Pride is a giant money-making operation.

I have been tempted to check out Pride events just to see if I feel any kinship or connection with anyone. I’d love to find a group that gives me that feeling.

But to be completely honest? I think I would feel uncomfortable being around furries and adult little girls. And the thing is, I don’t know why. I want to think of myself as open-minded to all things sexual and gender. I empathize with the struggle to be appreciated and understood by mainstream society. But I guess I don’t understand the political importance of fetishes, or why I should care what someone’s fetish is. Seeing adult little girls or boys dressed like foxes would make me feel like I was at a Comi Con. And yet I suspect I wouldn’t feel that way around drag queens/kings.

So I’m really really confused.

I respect furries/otherkin and the BDSM community very much. But LGBTQIA Pride is not about them directly (although there are some LGBTQIA members of both those communities). And it’s very offputting, as cisgender straight families visti Pride to learn about something like, oh, me lecturing on the history of trans people of color or the progress of civil rights for gender equity, and all the while there’s the “smack! Smack!” and cries of tied-up subs in leather being spanked, while two people dressed as wolves (again, complete with the giant cartoon feet) are dry humping each other.

I haven’t gone to Pride events in more than 15 years. It seemed too focus on youth & sex, 2 things I don’t have anymore. There were not many groups either, mostly businesses promoting themselves, which is good in its own way, but makes it seem less friendly overall.

The BDSM community does have their own thing here, the Folsom Street Fair in September. I went twice back in the 90’s. That was enough, not my cup of tea.

I’ve never really been a part of the Gay community here in SF. I haven’t been to the Castro neighborhood in more than a decade, there’s nothing there for me. I just don’t seem to fit in, but that could have more to do with my mental health issues than anything else.

It’s good to see you around, Foggy.