Since snipers are apparently omni-present, and all-powerful, with the ability to pop up unexpectedly wherever they please…then why have a policy of IDF escorts for bulldozers in the first place??? Did the IDF commanders just throw up their hands on the day of Corrie’s death, exclaiming, “Ah, snipers are so unpredictable, better to just forget about the policy”?
Now, that’s the real Alice in Wonderland territory.
Still waiting for a cite showing increased sniper danger around that locale and date.
I see a problem with that. The Palestinians in those villages and farms aren’t going to want to be part of an Israeli state (citizens or not) any more than the residents of Ariel would want to be part of a Palestinian state.
I guess that’s the same problem that Palestinians in the Old City and Syrian residents of the Golan Heights are having. Those two areas are already headaches, so why exacerbate the situation by creating more “unwilling annexees”?
At best, I would see the situation as a potential Northern Ireland, with Palestinians in the “Ariel corridor” perpetually fuming about being in the wrong state while their brothers in the rest of the West Bank, happy with their new independence, eventually adopt an attitude of “Those poor guys, I wish we could do something for them.”
That’s a best-case scenario. At worst…well, again, it could be like Northern Ireland!
What evidence would convince you? I mean, assuming someone puts in the effort to compile a list of sniper attacks, please define “around that locale and date”. Would a sniper attack a month before, ten miles away count as “danger”? If not, why not? This is apparently an important issue for you, so specifics are worthwhile.
There is no such thing, as shown many times on this board. Why amongst the infinite world of evidence does this calumny subsist? It is hard to create monsters from normal people. Israel needs myths like this to do so.
Do you know of a Hamas Charter that doesn’t mention Israel being attacked or obliterated or whatnot? It would be news to me. I eagerly await your link to such a document.
Yeah, me too. The only calumny here is belief by Hamas that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is fact rather than fiction. And **Sevastopol’s **unwillingness to admit that Hamas leaders are not exactly nice people.
I can name more than two. Political movements include Peace Now, as well as Gush Shalom, led by Uri Avnery (whom I consider a hero). In the 70’s there was the Mizrahim “Black Panthers” group. “Non-political” movements include the Peres Center for Peace, the National Census, Seeds of Peace, the Tami Steinmetz Center for Peace Research, and the Committee Against House Demolitions. Parties include Labor, Meretz-Yachad, and Hadash/Communist Party of Israel. And that’s just in Israel.
OK, I’ll bite. Since the home at the center of the Corrie tragedy is described as being between Rafah and the Egyptian border, let’s take that as our area. Actually, let’s go further and take all of metropolitan Rafah. For the time window, let’s take an arbitrary period of two weeks before the tragedy. And since statistics are most useful when there is a control sample, please take care to compare the two-week-period in Rafah to the same two weeks in the rest of Gaza, and the same two weeks in Rafah the previous year (a statistical comparison often used for crime statistics).
Just so we’re clear here, can you please clarify what exactly the purpose is of creating a virtually impossible to fill demand in order to question a reasonable claim backed up by the general nature of the conflict as we’ve seen it for decades? What source do you believe such information would be in? The Journal of How Many Times IDF Troops Were Shot At, And on What Days, in Rafah, perhaps? Perhaps we should attempt to get our hands on the snipers’ logbooks and make sure that they got their time cards stamped by the Snipers’ Union that day?
To say nothing about the methodological problems of using Gaza as a “control” or expecting military data to be collected, organized and published the same way that law enforcement operates.
It reminds me a bit of the Troofer practice of Just Asking Questions when they absently mindedly wonder just how many pounds of concrete were in every floor, or what have you.
Oh, I was just curious if you’d nail the goalposts down. Whether your critera can be met or not, I chalk up the so-called Corrie “tragedy” to personal stupidity.
You can’t do that either. You cannot insult other posters here unless you are posting in the BBQ Pit. The rule here is that you can attack the arguments but not the poster who makes them.
Only if you want to jeopardize your posting privileges by racking up a lot of Warnings in a short period.
The point is that a lot of different perspectives can be aired in this forum, but when posters begin attacking each other, the possibility for discussion evaporates.
Pointing out that a poster’s comments about a thrd party are clearly wrong is worthwhile discussion; calling posters names is useless. The issue of accusations of lying have been deemed insulting and harmful to discussion and are prohibited.
Alright, alright. It was an emotional response to a perceived insult about something important to me. In the futute I will couch my responses in better terms.
