I’d expect the cop to pull me over, cite me for whatever he could, give me an earful about speeding, and send me on my way. But I am white, so there’s that.
Maybe?
That’s the thing about DWBs. There’s always an after the fact justification (“weaving in the lane”, “speeding”, “no seatbelt”, “similar car reported stolen” - these are all made-up excuses that I’ve seen used). Sometimes there’s validity. Sometimes it’s made up.
Maybe he was speeding to the extent the cop noticed. Maybe not and it was just an excuse (fancy car plus black man does get some cops’ attention).
That wiggle room of doubt is where things get tricky. It might be the cop legitimately thought there was reason to pull him over. Or it might be a convenient excuse.
If they have cam footage of what caused him to pull Hill over, great. But I haven’t seen it yet. Considering how minor the eventual tickets were, I doubt he was speeding by very much, if he was at all. If it was 100, that cop would have been more forceful up front.
I’m white, and if I kept yelling at the cop and rolling up my tinted window when he was trying to “give me an earful” as you say I would expect to be dragged out of the car and arrested at a minimum.
This is a fair point. Like I said above, if he was actually going 100 I’d expect criminal charges.
That wasn’t the hypothetical I was responding to. It was a cop who eyeballed me speeding but didn’t have a chance to clock me. What would I expect the cop to do? Not ignore me, he’d likely do what I said.
And if a cop pulled you over in that situation and you responded to the earful he gave you the way Hill did, what would you expect to happen?
I’d expect a world of shit. Cops can be little dictators.
Fair enough. When you said:
The implication I got was that if a white person was in the same situation as Hill, the police would have reacted differently. But if you agree that you, a white guy, would also be in a world of shit - then I don’t know we actually disagree.
They can be, but I don’t know that insisting that someone who is pulled over not close his tinted window is an example of that.
I don’t think we do. I was just reacting to the question, what should the cop do, just ignore it? What would you expect if you were the speeder? No, he needn’t ignore it, even if his hands are tied for the speeding violation.
I’ve probably been pulled over close to a hundred times now. If I’d behaved like Mr. Hill did in this case, I’d be pulled out of the car, too. Heck, I’ve been told to get out of the car when I was following police instructions and answering everything with honorifics. If I didn’t comply with that, they surely would have drug me out of the car.
And yeah, if I had been obviously speeding excessively but the cop didn’t have anything such as a lidar reading to prove it, I’d expect the ticket to be written up for careless or reckless driving. That is actually a more serious offense than speeding in Texas. It’s a class B misdemeanor.
I don’t know if busses would avoid this kind of issue, though. The players have to get to where the bus is, after all.
I’ve been driving for about 40 years now, and I’ve been pulled over less than ten times. What the hell are you up to that the police stopped you 10X as much as me?
So I saw some body cam footage.
The part where there was no footage o a speeding car was …. telling.
DWB
#ACAB
If your window is tinted to hell and they tell you to roll down the window. Roll it down. Hell, if its clear as a kitchen window, you should probably roll it down
If a cop tells you to step out of the car…step out of the car. And no, dont argue Penn V Mimms with me.
ALL THAT SAID. That one crazy cop should at least be discliplined. He was completely out of control. Certainly didnt give Tyreek enough time to step out of his car.
At the end of the day though, I think the cops are LEGALLY within a level of margin to escape a law suit. Unless they want to throw that one crazy guy under the bus.
There’s bodycam video of Tyreek speeding. He was definitely going fast enough in a traffic-controlled area (lots of signs and cones to manage gameday traffic) to warrant a stop. Doesn’t appear to be close to 100 mph but the stop still seemed reasonable. And let’s face it, he’s driving a blacked-out McLaren, so that’s a factor. But of course, that’s where the proper actions stopped.
Any links?
Not that I doubt it. Tyreek Hill is nobody’s idea of a saint. But I’ve only seen edits that start after the car is pulled over.
I’m not one to defend cops, but this is just stupid. If you watched the video of the stop as you claim, you would know damn well that his widows were tinted to a degree that it’s impossible to see who’s inside. Did race play a role in the escalation after the stop, probably, but he was not pulled over solely because of his race.
I like to avoid linking to X but since you asked.
It’s a brief second or two at the beginning that shows the initial alert. Then in the pursuit you can see that he was blowing past slower moving traffic.
Oh and btw,with all this DWB stuff…no one has mentioned that his Dolphin Privilege seems to have saved him from a trip downtown, I’ve never seen anyone get yanked out of the car, handcuffed and then let go with a couple of tickets.
Well, sometimes I’m not doing anything more suspicious than being the long haired weird looking guy driving the weird ancient car in a nice part of town in the middle of the night, but that’s not the most common reason. I’m an inveterate speeder, so that’s what I’ve normally been pulled over for.
I’ve been driving about as long as you have. I was probably pulled over 2-4 times each year (sometimes more) for the first 20. After that I didn’t start driving any slower, but my job, etc. changed so I wasn’t driving late at night nearly as much. Going the same speeds during the day, I obviously don’t stand out as much and have gotten pulled over far less often. Also, old white and weird looking doesn’t seem to trigger the cops like young white and weird looking used to. I’ve also been searched far less often in the last 20 years.
Thanks, the actual speed is debateable (60 seems a stretch) but he’s certainly going faster than he should have been, given conditions. Having actual video is good.
Everything after was just bad on all sides. Not going to defend what he did, but I will say I don’t give traffic cops any benefit of the doubt any more. Too many bad apples that should have been tossed years ago rather than empowered.
What are they going to arrest him for, bad attitude? Not kneeling fast enough was a citation. The current bodycam video cuts off before Calais Campbell was sitting on the ground in handcuffs as well.
The cop grabbing him and dragging him backwards lost the department any lawsuit, multiple times, with his actions.