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Failure to exit the car when told to do so is “Resisting w/o violence” People get arrested for it all the time.
Resisting what?
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That part is pretty hard to criticize. If I walked up to a group of officers in the middle of an arrest and tried to argue with them, I would expect to be arrested.
Are you talking about when he was removed from the car, or a different moment?
Talking on a phone during a traffic stop is probably a bad idea.
I understand the desire to ask for help from a Agent or Rep from the team. But, Tyreek Hill needed to give the Officers his full attention and cooperate.
I might make that mistake too. Trying to call home. Do that later after the Officers say it’s OK.
The cops need to actually give him a chance to comply. They didn’t.
That’s patently absurd. He wasn’t interfering. Being a bystander is not a crime and with the current state of policing, I think we want as many bystanders as possible recording and witnessing the event.
I don’t agree. Cops have not earned that trust. Were I a wealthy famous black person, I’d damn well want my lawyer and the team’s security informed well before I was in custody. Lots of people have chosen to comply with officers only to find their ability to use their phone and get help stripped away. Ultimately cops need to understand that they are not god-kings and immediate and penitent compliance should not be expected or mandated. There’s a difference between delaying and resisting.
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The cops need to actually give him a chance to comply. They didn’t.
I didnt argue they did. I’m saying thats the excuse they’re making to throw him to the ground, and if he wasnt Tyreek Fucking Hill in Miami on game day, he’d have been taken downtown
Also, police are not obliged to let people call people, and complete phone calls…but I posit its a nebulous area right now until solid laws have been put in place. I’d think its fine to be on the phone as long as the person pulled over is complying with instructions.
I agree - if he stood by and recorded I wouldn’t criticize him. But it sounds like he tried to intervene on behalf of Hill, which I don’t think is appropriate.
Compliance with lawful orders from police officers should be expected to be followed. Anything else is anarchy.
This discussion reminds me of an anecdote from a handful of years ago.
I used to have to support an office in Bellevue, WA in my job (before I moved to supporting a different geographical region of the state). Driving in and out of that city is no picnic so I always used GPS to guide me around traffic as well as I could (it always sucked regardless). One route I took sometimes would take me right past the VMAC, or Virginia Mason Athletic Center, which is where the Seattle Seahawks practice.
One morning I was driving to that Bellevue office and my GPS was taking me on the route that went past the VMAC. And at some point I was behind a beautiful red Porsche. And that car had a personalized license plate that just said “PORSCHE”. As I’m driving, I’m thinking, who the heck drives a car like this?!
As I get to the part where I’m passing the VMAC on the left, that car turns and drives into the VMAC. Which just made me wonder again… Who was I driving behind for miles?! I’d guess a player, though it could have been one of the coaches too I suppose.
(By the way, whoever they were, they drove perfectly fine; a safe but not slow speed, and obeying all traffic laws, and they signaled when they turned into the center. Kudos to that person.)
Or maybe the other police officers realized how criminally extra Mr. Torres was being, and knew how fucked they would all be by continuing to escalate the situation with him.
Possibly, but Tyreek himself said “Can you imagine what would have happened if I wern’t Tyreek Hill?”
Police consider everything they say as a lawful order. There’s a middle you’ve excluded between “anarchy” and a bunch of petty, violent dictators ruling the streets.
What if he was white? We can play the hypothetical parts all day long, but to simply ascribe the lack of stupidity escalation to only because someone knows who he is and nothing else, is to minimize the contributions of the officers who DID try to act professionally.
Officer Torres was placed on administrative leave before the public actually saw his actions. That should be plenty of evidence that everyone involved knew he fucked up. I mean, seriously - the dude combined roid rage with “RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!”
Well, he might not have felt entitled to tell a police officer to shove it and close his window on him if he wasn’t a famous big shot footballer, so perhaps none of this would have happened if he wasn’t Tyreek Hill.
Thankfully we don’t live in a police state so it’s not their call to make.
Seriously. (Im agreeing with you).
How can you even live day to day raging out like that. Can you imagine the adrenaline flow?? Dude must have been shaking for ten minutes after.
There are tons of videos out there where the cops let the entitled (And yes, i do think Tyreek acted entitled ar first) person do their thing for a bit. Then you ratchet it up. You tell them you’re gonna break the window. Step out. Give them a chance.
Torres said step out like 7 times in 7 seconds then it was straight to the ground. Then pushing him to his knees after? (Jason Bateman) :" No. No. No nononoonono."
Im glad hes being disciplined.
They sure seemed to think it was their call in the videos I’ve seen of the incident.
I hope I never made it seem like I felt Hill wasn’t being an ass, because he absolutely was.
And after years of handling SovCits exactly this way, turning a 5 minute routine stop ending with a warning into a 45 minutes of non-compliance ending with broken glass and used Tasers probes, lots of departments are not allowing things to go on that long anymore.
Rolling up the window in the middle of the interaction was classic SovCit behavior.
I’d give Tyreek a little bit of leeway. I’m sure the team security has instructed the players to contact them if there’s ever an incident with the police. Considering Tyreek’s previous legal troubles, I imagine his lawyer has a similar policy. Him stalling and wanting to reach out to his people before giving the police control isn’t necessarily asshole behavior.
Upon first reports I expected Tyreek to be big timing them and dropping the “do you know who I am” line. Maybe even being verbally combative. But the tape doesn’t show anything like that. Apart from not fully complying by rolling down the window he wasn’t being difficult. And once the cops laid hands on him he was completely calm and reasonable all things considered.
Whatever Tyreek’s history is, this isn’t a great example of any bad behavior on his part. His supposed noncompliance is being wildly exaggerated.