Yeah, majority rule. How awful :rolleyes:
Ever thought about taking your own advice?
He claimed he had it and it “seemed” like he had it? Hardly ironclad proof.
The person providing the claim of the disorder needs to provide the evidence.
All we saw was evidence of inappropriate behavior that did not respond to moderator feedback.
Why do I have to explain this? You guys are not this stupid. Normal people with any level of social awareness TAKE PEOPLE AT THEIR WORD unless they have proof otherwise.
Maybe I should just start making up crap about you guys, and see how you like it.
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At least I provided something. You guys have provided none.
And, honestly, take a look at his posts. Read what an Aspie is. Then show me behaviors that are inconsistent with the diagnosis. I’ve covered mine:
Lack of awareness of social mores.
Lack of common sense.
Hyperlexia.
Inflexible moral code.
Blurts out diagnosis for no reason.
Asks inappropriate questions
Generally seems odd.
Can’t understand why people don’t like him.
What proof do you offer that he’s not?
Some trolls like to fake disorders.
Lots of people only think they are Aspies.
Both of which rely on paranoia to believe. I didn’t Dopers were conspiracy theorists.
There is considerable evidence that Curtis is quite aware that his behavior here may get him banned. In fact, we have given him very substantial benefit of the doubt regarding some of his previous posts. Taken at face value, in my opinion they strongly suggest he may be trolling. Your picture of Curtis as a completely naive individual who has no awareness of what he is doing is not at all in accord with his posts.
On August 25, Curtis started the following thread in ATMB. I can’t link to it since it has been removed from view:
On December 27, Curtis started the following poll, which has also been removed from view:
In this poll, Curtis voted “Yes” (the only poster to do so before the thread was closed). This thread got him his fourth warning, after which I notified him that any further warnings could result in his suspension.
Curtis mentions being banned from other boards in the following posts:
A vegetarian board:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11492457&postcount=1
An alternate history discussion board:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11492506&postcount=40
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11827486&postcount=17
Regarding the second he notes:
In this ATMB thread he asks about establishing a “Hall of Infamy” here for banned members.
Taken as a whole these posts do not give a picture of a poster who is unaware that his behavior might result in a banning, nor of someone who is overly concerned with following board rules, on this board or others.
Ethics smethics. Whether you like Curtis or not is highly irrelevant. This isn’t your Facebook page. This isn’t Survivor. We don’t make people go away because they annoy us here. Don’t like him? Good, ignore him. That’s what I do for posters I don’t like, and if one of said posters was banned or suspended, I’d be glad that he was no longer posting, but I would be miffed if the reason for his banning was that he was simply annoying. Ideally, people who annoy me would realize they’re annoying and go away on their own, but it seldom seems to work out that way. Such is message boarding.
You’re the one who doesn’t get it - I don’t care if he has Asperger’s or not. Since no one can ever provide enough evidence in a place like this to conclusively prove something like that one way or another, we have to live in the middle ground of taking people somewhat at their word, but not letting what could be big fat lies change the rules for them. I think the mods and admins in this thread have done an admirable job of explaining this to you.
No seriously. “Aspie.” To paraphrase Walter Sobchak, is that the perferred nomenclature? It sounds kind of demeaning to me.
Whether or not Curtis LeMay has Asperger’s - which I think is believable - his track record here and on other sites shows he has a good idea of how to annoy people on message boards, and that he consistently does those things.
I did try to strike up a conversation with Curtis LeMay back in September via private message to try to explain that it would help if he paid more attention to the responses he was getting so he wouldn’t wind up alienating a lot of posters. That was aside from dialing back on how many threads he was starting. (At that time it was getting ridiculous.) He didn’t ignore me but he didn’t respond to that whole thing. We’re not just cracking down on the guy. We’re trying to work with him. Whether it’s because of a learning disability or not, that isn’t sinking in.
Having read all this (and seeing valid arguements on both sides), my thought (such as it is) was more or less echoed previously, to whit:
- The board has rules
- Everyone (everyone) is expected to abide by them
- You don’t abide by them, you get kicked out.
Simple. We can’t make exceptions for people, even if there is undeniable proof a poster has Aspergers, if this precludes him from following the rules, then they can’t stay. Our board, our rules. We also require potential Dopers to have a computer. Yes, this lets out millions of people, through no fault of their own, who can’t join this wonderful place (decide whether or not that’s sarcastic, I do think this place is wonderful, though.) But, rules are rules, you dont’ have a computer (or access to one), you can’t be a Doper. We have rules that you have to be at least 13 years old to join the SDMB. Not 13? Then you can’t abide by the rules and you cannot be a member of our community.
See where I’m going. Basically, if you can’t follow the rules, you’re gone. Curtis couldn’t follow the rules (listen when mods say knock it off), so he’s gone. Is it unfair, given he may have Asperger’s? Possibly, but is it also unfair to disallow under 13s here?
Sounds demeaning to me too. I don’t worry about it much though since half the people I’ve heard claim they have it found out via the internet.
Re: Curtis, what’s the big deal? He’ll be back following his suspension and eventually it will become clear whether the flashing sign with the arrow is blinking “troll” or “aspie”.
Nowhere in your list does it say “Cannot comprehend the English language.” He did not respond to moderator warnings. That right there destroys any excuse Asperger’s might have given him.
My Asperger’s friend has left and been kicked out of many, many internet communities. Usually it was because of an unwillingness to fit in with the mores of that particular community. But never, ever did she simply ignore the community leaders. In fact, the reason they eventually got tired of her was because she wanted to talk about issues too much when the leaders just wanted to get on with business or fun.
Asperger’s does not make it impossible to understand being told there is a problem, even if the person can’t understand what the problem is. They may react with confusion, indignation, or even relief that someone was helping them figure out the problem. But ignoring is not a symptom.
That’s why his claim of Asperger’s is suspect. If he was posting in good faith, he would have responded to the moderators in some fashion. That’s all there is to it.
shrug My friend and her Asperger’s friends use it among themselves, and she hasn’t ever been annoyed with me using it. I can certainly see how it can be used derogatorily, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be so.
Whatever the situation, whatever "it’ could be in determining someone’s behavior here – it might be a reason but it shouldn’t be an excuse.
“Aspie” is what many Aspies call themselves and each other. It’s not derogatory.
Yeah, but they’re Aspies; what the hell do they know?
BigT, I think you might want to read this thread. I think it sums up your attitude towards Aspies.
None whatsoever. Frighteningly immature, woefully uninformed about almost everything and willfully ignorant about the rest. Good riddance.
Eh, a little too soon – he’ll be back next month.
Well ladies and gentlemen Curtis LeMay is back and I’ll put my two cents into all this. First of all I wasn’t encouraging people to vandalize Wikipedia by posting that poll any more than someone who asks the poll “Are you homosexual?” encourages people to experiment with their sexuality. Plus I did acknowledge that the topic might erk the moderators. However I am utterly opposed to special treatment due to my conditions. I understand when someone says “Don’t do X.” and know the difference between right and wrong.