Proposal: Long Time Members Must Be Suspended Before They Can Be Banned

AnthonyElite has just received a ban [notice without the usual ATM thread announcing the ban] without the usual pattern of multiple warnings, followed by suspension(s) followed by a permanent ban. This same thing happened with StarvingArtist a few months ago.

I believe this is wrong and that the usual pattern should always be followed for long term posters.

IIRC he was warned and banned in the same sentence. :smiley:

Nay.

I think he asked for it. Literally.

He did, weirdly. He could have walked away at any time (and was reminded of this) but opted for blatant suicide-by-mod.

It’s very rare that people who are banned are surprised. We do typically go through the process described in the OP in hopes that people can modify behavior. In the latest example, there were also abusive PMs that were being sent to mods. So while I agree it’s a good idea to stick to process generally, in certain circumstances we can and do leaprfrog the process because the situation calls for it.

I don’t believe there’s any need for such a rule. The mods seem to dole out suspensions and bans appropriate for the circumstances already.

You get no street cred for flouncing or slinking. You need to be able to tell everyone you were banned: “Those guys at the SDMB couldn’t handle the truths I was telling them.”

Usually, we do give suspensions before bans, for long-time members. But every situation is different. We have human moderators instead of just AI auto-filters precisely because sometimes it’s needed for human judgement to respond differently (in either direction).

He called Miller a name in ATMB. IMO, that should be grounds for an instaban.

Aside from the “I’mma insult a mod in ATMB” THIS additional info (abusive pms to the mods as well) makes it clear this was a suicide by mod. A suspension wouldn’t have done any good.

I think Asslicker beat that record.

Truly a shame. With a name like that, he (or she) probably had a lot to offer.

Presumably **Asslicker **was a sock or spammer detected before they could post. Or maybe posted once, and message deleted. It’s not a rare event.
The banning was justified, but not everybody saw his suicide. There should be an announcement with a link, and a list of any previous warnings.

My memory may be faulty, but I thought that SA had been suspended before.

It really was an egregious case.

Get me, we’re generally open to discussion. A request for review of a moderator action doesn’t often result in a reversal but it’s not uncommon. And we’re always - mostly - game to revisit it, either privately or publicly should someone post a thread in ATMB. And some of those are doozies.

Even when it doesn’t happen in public there may be a significantly long discussion on the mod loop about whether a sanction is justified or not. I won’t share any of those with you fine people, but I hope you’ll trust me when I say they happen.

HOWEVER…

Responding to a moderator action with which one disagrees with abusive and insulting posts in public and similar private messages - the public and private insults went to different moderators - is not designed to provide a positive result, if indeed that was the goal.

Doing the above behavior while ASKING for revocation of one’s posting privileges? Well, that one is pretty much guaranteed to get your wishes granted.

Remember, we don’t want to ban anyone - spammers and such excepted - and a poster really has to work hard to earn the banhammer. We’d all - I think I speak for everyone - would rather to never have to make such decisions again. But sometimes posters either don’t get the nature of adult discussion or they are otherwise determined to get banned. In such cases, we accommodate their wishes.

Simple answer is no. IMHO someone around that long should know the community and Mods well enough not to push that far past the limits.
That being said - said individual was far from prolific in posting but looks to have been logging in and reading a lot over his (?) time here and on something of a rip lately. Its almost like he went overly active again to commit suicide-by-Mod.

You want to do what?
Make the process of banning even slower? Really?

I could support this, but only if every warning came with a week suspension automagicly with a topic ban attached.

Jesus.

Should we kick their dogs, too?

No, it is not about revenge or hurting anyone, it is about measures that actually have effect. If someone is having a bad week it shouldn’t become a suicide by mod. If someone is trolling the mods on where to dance on the line you could just stop the non-debate. More drastic, less permanent.