Both are abandoned by somebody. So there’s at least someone out there who doesn’t treat them any differently.
Isn’t it possible that it was necessary to eliminate the puppies? If the girl is used to putting down animals, it may just be a jaded response, all the ‘whee’ and such.
The girl seems to enjoy causing death and pain. She is also proud enough of this to make and release a video. She seems to be gloating about her ability to do this without scruple.
All the indications we have are that she is a dangerous person. I wouldn’t want to live next door to her.
Really? You think so? Over some dogs? The entire WORLD should revile her. She lives in the Balkans. The same kind of place we all had a big laugh at when Sacha Baron Cohen parodied it. Bosnia is a war-torn hellhole trying to revive itself from decades of communism. The people there aren’t as wealthy or affluent as the rest of the European Union, much less the United States. What makes you think putting “free puppies! lol!” sign is going to get someone to adopt them?
Pound? Puh-leeze.
Nitpick: Kazakhstan is nowhere near the Balkans.
ETA: kudos for use of Comic Sans.
Sure it’s possible. The article mentions an apology video that may or may not have been from the actual girl and she says “…The puppies belonged to my grandma and she told me to get rid of them because they were only 3 days and were ill. They had parasites from their mother.” Putting them down may have been a mercy. IMHO, the outrage you see is not from the idea of puppies being killed per se, but the fact that the little cretin seemed to enjoy it so much.
Yeah, this is more my reaction. I’m not really all that up in arms about the video. Totally stupid thing to record it and put it on the Internet, but that’s teenagers for you. I really can’t get worked up about this, nor do I think the girl is “dangerous person” or anything like that.
Yeah, when I first heard about the video, I was all, “Ohmygod, she must be psychotic”.
But posters on this board educated me a bit, and now I’m thinking she may just be someone who is used to animal death, putting animals down, chopping off chicken heads, killing rats, exterminating sick kittins, taking cows to slaughter. I mean, I don’t know, I’m just saying it is possible that she is so used to death in so many ways that I’m not that she may have just become hardened, jaded or just straight up able to develop a morbid sense of humor about the whole thing.
But I don’t know for sure.
Torturing an animal to death when not necessary deserves opprobrium anywhere it happens and I maintain that drowning is a nasty, tortuous way to go. I do not care if you live in a war torn hell hole or not.
If the dogs cannot be adopted out and there is no pound to dispatch them humanely then do the deed yourself if you must. She was ok with killing the puppies obviously. Dad should have manned up and taken the pups out back and shot them in the head rather than giving them to his daughter to drown.
If it is a war torn hell hole I am sure bullets are easy to come by.
Drowning puppies is not an unusual method of dispatching unwanted litters of pups in many parts of the world (we even have a few US posters attesting to the method). I wouldn’t go gleefully chucking them into a river, videotaping it, and then posting it to Youtube, but I’m not a bored teenager with questionable decision-making skills in the sticks of Bosnia.
Whether she was OK with killing the pups or not, that’s not for me to judge. It could just be teenaged bravado. Or maybe she really is jaded. Hard to tell from one video.
Living in a rural area where people regularly drown unwanted puppies and kittens and brag with great glee about killing animals for sport, I can only imagine the sensitivity to animal suffering is going to be even more lacking where this girl lives. I come from a long line of rednecks and while it’s possible every last one of them is a sociopath, I think it just so happens some people are cultured in a way to take pleasure in killing animals.
What she did barely raises an eyebrow for me compared to the stories and–yes–videos people in my high school had.
I don’t approve of it. Hell, I’m a vegetarian. But by the same token it’s so common and so accepted that it just doesn’t seem worth it to work up much ire.
Amen.
Because a lot of times people who get a thrill out of torturing animals are usually disturbed individuals. It’s a major warning sign that says, “there’s something wrong with this person.” It’s also sick that someone LIKES causing pain.
(The other signs of sociopathy are pyromania and, when combined with one or both of these – bed wetting.)
I spent my summers on a farm as a kid, and have no qualms about being sent out to kill a chicken for dinner. Well, I qualm, but I get the job done without hesitation, and the quicker the kinder.
And I can certainly understand having to drown them, it’s often the most expedient method available. And in a war zone, where bullets are protection, no way would I waste one on a puppy.
My concern is that she is enjoying this. It’s not healthy, I don’t care who you are.
And Peeta, the hunters that I know take great pride and have a sense of honor about keeping the death as quick as possible. Many of them decry bow hunters as torturing the animals unnecessarily. While I appreciate the bow hunter’s attitude of evening the score a bit, I think in the end it’s best to kill quickly if you must kill.
I’m also betting the folks you refer to are eating the animals they hunt.
Eh…I don’t know. I have laughed and giggled at my own dad’s funeral, and when he died, that was the absolute saddest time of my entire life, bar none. So I don’t think it is ok to look at someone and judge them based on how you read their emotion. It is very possible she has developed some kind of dark sense of humor about the grisly tasks she sometimes has to perform. She really didn’t seem to be torturing the animals, so I don’t know why people are throwing out the ol’ ‘if you torture an animal, that is a symptom of pathology’ thing. She was doing a dirty duty that I have never been faced with, so maybe I am just being extra soft; because I feed my kid meat every day, and I’ve never had to kill an animal.
Again, when I first heard about this, (in the Cat in a Trash Bin thread, in the Pit) I had an immediate reaction that something was well and truly wrong with tihe girl. Now, I am a bit less sure.
There are hunters who take great pride in making clean kills. There are also a whole lot of them who like to giggle together about the great fight some buck put up and how some poor sap had to track the damn thing as it bled out. I got dragged out there as soon as I was old enough and teased for not being man enough to enjoy it. They’d prop up the dead bodies of animals they’d just killed and take goofy pictures with 'em, crack jokes about them, and drive around town in their trucks to show the bodies off. Sure, one of the goals is to get a clean kill, but another goal is to kill an animal and brag about it.
Considering how little meat you actually end up getting off the deer compared to the work and money involved and considering how many people end up donating the meat anyway, sorry. For most of them it ain’t about meat. The guys like my grampap with their snares and traps and their beaver tail stew, I’ll buy.
Fact is, when people are okay with killing animals with their own hands they’re not always gonna treat it with honor and respect and solemnity. Some of them are gonna giggle and crack jokes. It’s unfortunate, but it’s just not that shocking.
Sure it’s a tragic thing to watch but if her story is true I don’t see her as being as sadistic as most people think.
It wasn’t some teen who was getting their kicks by killing a bunch of puppies they rounded up. It was some rural girl who was put into the position of disposing of some diseased dogs by her grandmother. She probably had no access to injections to euthanize the dogs or a gun to make a quick kill so what other options did she have? Beat them to death? Poison them? Strangle them?
She probably figured a quick drowning was less brutal than many other options she had.
As for the smiling I don’t think she was enjoying the act, I think it was more of an uncomfortable ackward smile more aimed at her brother as in “I don’t know why you would want to film this but whatever…”
I just got a bunch of links to episodes of the Sopranos
So what is shocking then?
I grant animals need to be killed for a variety of legitimate reasons and I have no real problem on that count.
So, how to do it then.
Drowning is ok?
Why not light them on fire and watch them run?
Skin them alive? Vivisect them so at least you can learn something about animal anatomy?
Granted this is somewhat hyperbole but it is to illustrate a point.
If we just shrug and say no big deal to cruelty then what is cruel? Are we to not care at all?
I submit there are better ways to dispatch puppies if they must be dispatched. My great grandma would go out back with a hatchet to get a chicken. I suspect if she had to she could behead a puppy as well. Not nice, not pleasant for either party but I suspect less horror for the puppy (who presumably does not know what is coming) than drowning is.
Yeah it is easier on the human to toss them in the river. Tough though. If something so distasteful must be done then face it rather than hide from it.
Ah…no money for a handful of bullets that in a war zone are probably common but they do have money for a video camera and a computer to upload images to YouTube on.
Gotcha. :rolleyes: