Question about the movie "Vanilla Sky"

There is a radio competition on Fox FM Melbourne called “Dead or Alive”. Basically the announcer reads out a movie and the corresponding movie star, and the caller in has to say whether or not the star survived to the end or croaked it before the credits rolled. They do this buy answering “dead” or “alive”. To win, you need to get 5 correct in a row…

ANYWAY…

On tonight’s show the announcer said “Tom Cruise, Vanilla Sky”. The caller-in said “alive”, but the radio announcer called her out, saying no… he died. Mayhem ensued as radio staffers who had seen the movie quarrelled on air as to whether or not Big Tom survived the epic tale. In the end they could reach no agreement, they called the question void, and they moved on. (The caller later goofed on “Brad Pitt - Fight Club”, she said “alive”, I was waiting for mayhem to again ensue. Surely radio staffers would argue that Pitt neither lived or died in that film… suffice to say, it didn’t happen. Why is this relevant? It isn’t).

So the question goes out… “Tom Cruise - Vanilla Sky”?

No, he does not die in the movie. The jumping off of the building was his awaking so that he could rejoin the world.

He did die in the movie. He committed suicide and was frozen. You can quibble over what constitutes “death”, I guess, as he was almost immediately frozen.

ooooooo… I sense a debate brewing.

Either he:

  1. Never died. He had some form of continuous conciousness the whole time, and was successfully resuscitated.
  2. Died, and was then brought back to life… maintaing the same conciousness all along.

I believe #1. If it’s #2, then that belittles the whole idea of dying to the point where you should call it some category.

Well Dopers?

Dead or Alive?

The last shot of the movie is of Cruise’s eye opening, after he’s made his choice to be revived (“I don’t want to dream anymore”). And since they somehow maintained his mind’s activity while he was frozen (which sounds physically impossible to me, but I accepted it because I like the movie) I’d say he was never really dead. In any case, he makes it to the end of the movie.

He became ‘alive’ at the end of the film.

Just rented it last night. He didn’t do a Walt Disney (well, the UL of Walt Disney, anyway). That is, he didn’t die and then put his body in a frozen state in hopes of being later “resurrected.” Rather he froze himself while he was still alive with perhaps the hope of being resurrected when he could be free of pain and when plastic surgery advanced enough where his face could be fixed.

So, my vote is “no,” he didn’t die. He “suspended” his life, if you will.

My question is this: So he’s in a “frozen” LE state. He’s chosen an option where he can basically “dream” his way through life for an infinite amount of time. He invents his own reality. Okay, I get that.

Here’s the part I don’t get: In the end, he decides that he wants to wake up and get on with his “real” life. Now, given that he’s in a “suspended” state and that all the characters are in his sub-conscious, how in hades does he communicate his desire to be “resurrected” to the agency?

A third take is that none of this happened. It was all a dream in the classic (in bed, REM) sense. The “open your eyes” voice at the end is Cameron Diaz, implying that everything is still not what it seems.

If so, then definitely alive. In any case, alive. Dead the resurrected=alive at movie’s end.

Good movie. I need to see the original Spainish version.

I saw this one in the theatre back when it was out. Didn’t he sign the contract with LE then kill himself by overdosing on pills? I thought they showed him lying on the floor of his bathroom (and they also apparently had a wake or something for him)?

They weren’t all in his subconscious. The “tech-support” guy was real and was somehow interfacing with him.

They also said that he had worked out in advance what he would have to do to be “resurrected” and the “trigger” (or whatever you want to call it) was that he would jump off the roof of a building. (Since the character was supposedly afraid of heights, this would indicate that he really wanted to wake up.)

You are so right. I completely forgot about this. Damn. Now I’m going to have to think about it again.

He definitely killed himself in the movie. However, in regards to the trivia contest, I think it’s clear he was alive at the end, therefore he survived to the end of the movie.

I just saw this over the weekend and I really liked it.

*For some reason, I thought there’d be more of a discussion/debate on it here, seeing the number of Minority Report threads that I’ve seen. Go figure.

First things first-

Yepper. Right before he took the pills he saw an ad for LE and checked it out online (It ties together the ‘I met him online’ comments he says about the mysterious guy). Presumably, at that point, he made the necessary when, hows, and whys.

Personally, I think it was all a dream. All of it.

To begin with, how is a person supposed to be able to have consciousness in a suspended state? It doesn’t make sense. It’d be like a coma when one minute you’re awake and alert, and the next minute you’re not, then you’re awake again-- no sense of time loss whatsoever (From what I’ve heard of coma patients- there’s no sense of time loss). So that, to me, was a biggie, but not the necessarily biggest hint that it was all a dream.

Early on in the moviea, right after the initial run around Times Square, Cruise’s character voice-overs something along the lines of, ‘The worst part of my dreams- and I have a lot of them- is that I never know when I’m really dreaming or awake. Sometimes I awake, only to still be in my dream.’.

That, to me, was very revealing and possibly the biggest hint to the whole thing being a dream. And since they never show his entire face at the end- the jerks- you never know if his face is messed up or not, which would essentially answer the question of it being a dream or not (That’s what I was waiting for the whole time at the end-- ‘Look! See? His face is normal, he’s just waking up from a killer dream.’). Damn.

The other part of this that leads me to believe it was a dream was the different bedrooms he keeps waking up in. There were definitely two – one was the uber posh condo thing that was seen most during the movie (Where he had the party, the guitar, and all that). The other one was seen less often but seemed to me to be more real-- it had the bed in the middle of the room, a kitchen right behind it, and basically looked pretty cheesy (But probably $1500 a month in New York City).

That gave it away for me. Think about it- in the opening scene (Impressive as hell, btw) is obviously a dream- the streets are empty, there isn’t a sound to be heard, and, and, he’s driving a tricked out Ferrari. He (Supposedly) wakes up from that dream, and back to reality, and is then driving the rather nice Mustang. Ask yourself, why? Why, if he had all this money and everything else, would he need to be dreaming of the Ferrari? He could afford it, he didn’t need to be dreaming of it as if it was unattainable, did he? Nope. Add that important clue to the ‘I never know when it’s a dream, and never know when I wake up if it’s still a dream’ line said later.

Subtle clues, that in my opinion, add up to it all being a dream. If it weren’t, then why not show his whole face at the end? It would have answered the question without a doubt, because if it were* all a dream, he’d never had been in the accident and his face would be fine, and we’d know by seeing his face. Nope, not showing it only furthers my opinion that you had to wonder why it wasn’t shown, and it wasn’t shown so you’d have to go back a figure out why.

Dream city, people!

*Please forgive any grammer, technical errors above. I don’t want to wait twenty minutes just to preview the sucker. It’s iffy enough if submit reply will even work.

DAMMIT!!

This is correct.

  1. He did not die.

  2. He did not meet Penelope Cruz.

  3. He did not get cryogenicaly frozen(that’s just some whack thing you dream about).

This is incorrect. #2 and #3 are directly contradictory to the Cameron Crowe commentary on the DVD.

I’ve only seen it once but IIRC, I could have sworn the nurse had Penelopie Cruz’s voice at the very end as he woke up. This leads me to one or more of the following conclusions:

-I imagined that part

-David Ames (Cruise) was still dreaming

-David Ames may have heard the nurses voice and incorporated the voice into his dream all along
Also…I would have probably kept on banging Cameron Diaz/Penelopie Cruz without giving a second thought to which one was real (I would probably assume that they both were just in my mind and I wouldn’t care!:D)

You and me both. I was sitting there thinking, “Who cares? Go for it man, either one of them’s hot!”.

What does he know.

If that really were the case, than why didn’t they show his face at the end?

What if he’s actually in Hell?

Throughout the movie (well, mostly towards the beginning, IIRC) it is mentioned several times that “actions have consequences”. He’s shown as a very shallow and irresponsible person. He openly flirts with and tries to steal the girl that his best friend wants. He treats women like “fuck buddies”.

We’re also shown how painful some of his dreams can be. The very beginning of the movie shows him alone in the entire world. Then he gets all smashed up. Then he thinks he killed the girl of his dreams. He’s being tortured.

At the end, we don’t get a look at his entire face. I know you can’t always tell a lot just from one eye, but it appeared to me that he was very frightened. Perhaps it was just surprise, but it looked like more than that to me. Could it be he suddenly realized that his hopes to escape this never-ending sequence of nightmares were themselves just a ploy in another nightmare? That is, he is led to believe that he can escape, that everything is going to be alright. And then, at the very moment he is realizing that he is free, he awakens into what he now knows is another nightmare.