But that lawsuit can’t be true! If it were, there would be evidence of his racism before that!
And of course, if some earlier evidence does arise, it can’t be true, either.
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I’m reviving this thread because Trump didn’t turn out to be the flash-in-the-pan joke candidate a lot of Republicans had hoped he would be, and he hasn’t dropped out as some claimed he would. Now, it was a lot easier for Republicans to claim that there was no way in Hell that they would vote for El Trumpo when they thought there was no chance in Hell of it coming to that…but what say you now? We just witnessed a state nominate this “joke candidate”, and I’m wondering if y’all that said you would never vote for him are still willing to stick to your guns.
Any second thoughts?
Trump’s winning in New Hampshire has been a foregone conclusion for quite a while now. Even when the thread was new, we knew he had a significant chance of winning. The flash-in-the-pan idea was long past by that point.
I know it’s not an answer to your thread. I can’t answer since I’m not in your target audience. But I don’t want this narrative to be pushed here, that New Hampshire somehow legitimized Trump.
If, as in this hypothetical, they can’t stop Trump, then what power does the party have, though?
That’s what this is boiling down to. The Republican Party pretty much hates Trump. He still has the fewest endorsements from the GOP. If he wins the nomination, that means the GOP has become powerless.
That’s what I would be scared of as a Republican. What you stand for is no longer important if Trump wins. The issues you actually care about don’t even matter enough to the most devoted Republicans–the ones who will vote in primaries.
People asked what the demise of the Republican party would look like. This is one of the options.
At the moment the Republican power structure is convinced that if Trump is nominated he will lose in a landslide, and are worried that he will pull down the rest of the candidates with him. If he would win (unlikely) their power is destroyed forever. If he loses - and loses big - they can say I told you so. They know where the demographics are going, even if the candidates won’t play that way.
If I were a Republican official or candidate or officeholder I’d give a pro forma endorsement to Trump but not provide any support. Trump has really high negatives. I heard a Republican governor say yesterday that he would support the nominee when asked what he would do if Trump won - but he didn’t sound very enthusiastic about saying it.
If Trump wins - or is even close - the Republican party as we know it is toast.
Now if Trump were the candidate, it would be interesting to see if he comes up with policy proposals beyond trust me and it will be great.
But really, this thread isn’t about the future of “The Republican Party” or what it stands for…whatever that means. I just wanted to know if the ends justified the means for the Republicans/Right Wingers of this board, or would voting for Trump be a line they would not cross if that was their only means to defeat the Democratic candidate in November.
Since it’s revived…
I’m centrist and have spent my life registered as a Republican. That’s mostly a matter of issues I care most about at a Federal level. I’m not very partisan though. Most of my voting because of party is simply related to an understanding that I sometimes have to deal with a system where most that are engaged are far more partisan. I have and will cross party lines for the best, IMO, candidate for the job.
I won’t vote for Trump. Period. Full stop.
Clinton is still quite a bit left of me. She’s a solid candidate for my vote. Against someone like Trump or Cruz, I likely volunteer to help her campaign. There wouldn’t be coat tails but Hillary as President wouldn’t work me into a lather of hyper-partisan obstructionsism.
I’d vote for Bernie Sanders over Trump. I’d also hold my nose and vote for **any **Republican to obstruct him. I’d intentionally go much further right than I’ve ever gone to counterbalance. That’s not a hypothetical. There’s a Freedom Caucus wannabe running against a more moderate incumbent in my district. Guess who’s getting my vote in my state’s later primary if it looks like Trump-Sanders at that point? Voting for mini-Cruz and Sanders in November would require at least a week of Silkwood showers though. Shudder
Why so? A wealthy guy saying, “Screw the poor, immigrants and other countries, we will make American Great Again!” I do not mean to offend, but I thought that was the Republican theory; “make the wealthy more wealthy, and everyone will benefit.”
Where am I in error? :dubious:
He’s saying that if Trump wins, the Republican power structure is destroyed forever. Not Republicans per se. The RNC and its various support systems (Fox News, etc.) have basically been in open opposition to the Trump candidacy. If he wins, it means the end of GOP establishment politics.
Reviving this thread again to get a recount from all you Republicans that were so sure they wouldn’t have to put up with Trump-that wiser heads would prevail, or at least there would be a brokered convention that would kick his ass out.
It looks like y’all are going to have to make that nasty decision after all. How are you as a Republican going to vote now that it seems like it’s going to be Trump vs. Clinton, and all the escape hatches that seemed to be available a few months back are pretty much welded shut.
I will not vote for Trump and I will actually vote for Clinton if the race is close to prevent a Trump win. However, assuming a relatively safe margin, I will vote for Gary Johnson.
Come on, that’s Straw Man. :dubious:
Isn’t that Reagan and “trickle down economics”?
Holy hay bales, Straw Man! 
It’s not a nasty decision for me at all. Hillary IMO will make a capable President. No wire brush Silkwood showers will be taken after voting in November. Of course my partisan impulse is very weak. I don’t think I’ve ever cast a straight party ballot in my life. Republicans tend to be a better fit for what I want at the federal level. When they aren’t, they don’t get my vote. Trump’s not getting my vote.
I don’t get your reluctance. You have said many times that she’s basically a Republican, that she’ll likely sell out lefty positions and make deals with a Republican Congress, will have the hawkish/muscular outlook you’d favor on foreign policy. You think she’d put good focus on the nuts and bolts of governemnt function, which seems important to you. Why aren’t you happy to vote for her? Does the (D) after her name bother you?
I’m probably going to be voting for Hillary but I don’t see where everyone gets the idea she’s all that smart and capable. She’s a lying, clumsy and ineffective campaigner, has lousy judgement (as we’ve seen time and again, where she tries to take over the county’s health care as unelected co-president practically before Bill knows his way around the White House, blames claims about Monica Lewinsky on a ‘vast right-wing conspiracy’, screws up the Bengazi situation and its fallout, her private email server, her exorbitant speaking fees and Clinton Foundation financial shenanigans, etc., etc., triggers the ire of her husband’s previous victims by attempting to play the woman card and assert that women claiming sexual assault should always be believed. And of course her choice of a husband itself shows bad judgement, unless she was only in it for coattails to begin with). And then behind the scenes she’s alienated most of the Republicans she’s come into contact with by being a smug, arrogant, foul-mouthed bitch.
I doubt that Hillary will make much of a president, and to the degree she does much of it will come from Bill, although he’s been looking somewhat out of it lately.
All in all, no matter who gets elected we’re going to be in for interesting times.
This is a relatively simple issue for me.
I am a Republican, and although there is, this time around, the added impetus of “Anybody but Queen Hillary,” it wouldn’t matter if a real-life analogue to Josiah Bartlet from The West Wing were the Democratic nominee.
I disagree with the basic tenet and the basic presumption of the Democratic party; thus, I will not support a Democrat, no matter who he is. In my view, the worst Republican candidate is a better choice than the best Democrat candidate.
Whomever is the Republican nominee gets my vote. Unless something radical occurs, that nominee will be Mr. Trump, and he will get my vote.
So you are sufficiently assured that Trump would govern with Republican and conservative principles and advance Republican and conservative policies? That is a big reason why many of his conservative detractors don’t like or trust him.
Do you believe he is of the proper temperament and dignity for the office, whatever you think they are? That’s another reason.
Normally, I wouldn’t have these kinds of questions, but it seems clear that the veteran Republicans generally haven’t been enthused about him, which is an unusual circumstance.