I was watching a TV program based on “Mortal Error” wherein a scientific study claims Secret Service agent George Hickey accidently shot the fatal shot. The research seemed well done and has the added advantage that it does not rely on any conspiracy. I have also heard a similar cause of death for RFK wherein a Secret Service agent pulled his gun and accidently shot him.
But getting back to JFK and “Mortal Error”. Considering the only CT element is the coverup/botched investigation afterwards, what is the current view or arguments against this theory?
It relies on a conspiracy of all the other agents involved, the pathologists who did the autopsy and most of the efforts of the Warren Commission investigation.
As with most CTs, it is plausible only if you think the Warren Commission was a bunch of whitewashing patsies and a coverup involving dozens of people came up with an instantly perfect cover story that has not leaked in fifty years.
…and, once again, it begins with the refrain, “O, but poor Oswald could NOT have done this, children…” when there simply is no credible evidence to the contrary and a mountain of it in favor.
But did he do it alone? Was he knowingly part of a conspiracy? Was he, unstable as he was, unknowingly pushed in that direction? The evidence is very clear that Oswald was the shooter (probably the only one), but he was connected to all sorts of players, and was a CIA asset (not an agent). He was mentally unstable, and thus a nut, but was he a lone nut, or somebody who had suggestions made to him to assassinate someone important? And by the way, the President is coming to town. There were a lot of people in the US government that wanted JFK gone.
The overwhelming evidence is that all of his “connections” thought he was an unstable lunatic and wanted nothing to do with him. That was a big part of his frustration.
It only takes about five seconds thought on this: So LBJ, Khrushchev, Castro, Gallo, Hoover, McCone and (choose one) Arthur Miller or Joe DiMaggio sit down at a table and decide JFK really has to go. With all the options they have available, they choose a loudmouthed, temperamental, unstable 26 year old loon? Whose big mouth and untrustworthiness means he’s likely to expose the plan or make it blow back in the worst possible way?
Bugliosi interviewed or accumulated interviews with many people accused of masterminding a conspiracy with LHO at the center. Their collective response boils down to a hearty laugh.
A few rogues at the CIA aren’t in your list. Either asking Oswald directly to do it, or suggesting it to him in a way that he doesn’t know it is being suggested, using various hypnotic methods. As for making sure he doesn’t have a big mouth later? Ruby was the first guy who got to Oswald, who is to say there weren’t others waiting? It is possible that Oswald acted utterly alone, but not likely. Kennedy was deeply hated by a lot of people in the government, and criminal conspiracies to kill political figures, including US Presidents, are not unheard of, see Lincoln.
And you know what? I COMPLETELY forgot about the Roswell aliens and their mind-control rays. So ya got me there.
When you have a grasp of how thoroughly documented LHO’s life is, understand the things that were driving him and can propose a timeline for such brainwashing, get back to us. But then, you won’t, because it will have become quite clear that no conspiracy, no brainwashing, no outside influence was needed to make him shoot at JFK/Connally. It is only by painting LHO as a dumb, passive and inept patsy that the need for outside influence comes into play… and if you take the time to look at credible biographical information, you’ll see it’s no more needed for him than for Whitfield, Sherrill, Cho or Lanza.
Besides about 250 Dallas cops, PD employees, friends-of, etc., you’re absolutely right. And I have no doubt that had the police attempted to transport LHO anywhere without full-body protection, someone else would have shot him. In the right circumstances, it would have been a reenactment of The Orient Express… so many people would have shot at him as to make it impossible to tell “who did it.”
Ruby was simply the first motivated, capable and loosely connected enough to reach Oswald with a gun. Nothing mysterious about it.
You mean the conspiracy that was suspected in advance, exposed almost as fast as they could round up the perpetrators, given its day in court and saw the execution of the ringleaders… within 3 months? That conspiracy?
After *two hundred times as long *and with inconceivable amounts of investigation using tools unimaginable to the Lincoln era, we’re still waiting for a single shred of credible evidence that LHO did not do it OR that there was any other party involved, even in the smallest way.
Speculate all you like - it’s fun. But speculating about possibilities absolutely ruled out by validated physical evidence, testimony and timeline is just intellectual masturbation. Start with the **facts **and see if there’s any possible direction to take it that Warren et al. couldn’t.
The first rule of being a successful conspiracy is that you don’t choose a crazy person to carry out the crime of the century.
Look at what you’re saying about the conspirators. They chose a person who was already going around making threats. Then they trusted that he could get a rifle into his work place and shoot the President without any chance of him being discovered, even though anybody could have just walked in on him. Then after the shooting they failed to give him any instructions on how to get away. And they allowed him to be captured within 90 minutes. So they had to trust that he wouldn’t say anything about the conspiracy during his interrogation. Having given him two days to spill the beans, they sent another amateur in to kill him and trusted that he wouldn’t talk about the conspiracy.
Did they have a Plan B? Were there a whole series of potential assassins lined up in case Oswald was noticed? The route was finalized shortly before the actual day. (Not changed; that appears to be another idiotic Garrisonism.) When was there time to do all this prep work of recruiting?
Why is is that conspiracy theorists demand that their conspirators be incredibly perfect at hiding their conspiracy and yet be incredibly stupid in the execution of every phase of it?
I wasn’t saying it was Roswell mind control with alien rays. Way to straw man it. An open suggestion to a willing person, or traditional hypnosis would have worked with Oswald. Hypnosis does in fact exist.
I’m not suggesting that Oswald didn’t do it. Another straw man.
You are suggesting that there is no evidence of a conspiracy. There is no evidence that you will accept. Oswald said he was a patsy. You have to 100 percent discount that. Also, so many people have confessed to being part of a conspiracy on their death beds that they could not all possibly have done it. That doesn’t mean that not a one of them did. Ruby’s shooting of Oswald strongly suggests a conspiracy, but it is not 100 percent proof there was, or wasn’t. But it suggests it was. That is what you do to a patsy. You kill him at first opportunity. Oswald’s having spent a lot of time in Soviet and CIA hands suggests he was an asset of one or both. It isn’t as if the CIA has provided us their unredacted files. They refuse to do so and have for 50 years. Maybe it is legitimate, maybe it isn’t. We can’t tell until we see them at the very least.
Demonstrating that some conspirators got caught re Lincoln doesn’t prove that all conspirators will get caught.
If I could prove a secret conspiracy, you would then argue that such a proof proved it wasn’t secret, and I do realize I’m asking the LGT people to prove a negative on the conspiracy if they are correct. But without all the evidence, we can’t come to a conclusion. Oswald may have acted alone, but qui bono? Johnson? Mafia, CIA, MIC?
Come up with a single credible account of any person who in any direct way encouraged or assisted Oswald, or even can be said to have known in a dvance what he was going to do. (You’d be the first.)
Speculating about an unknown party using an unknown technique to cause Oswald to plan and carry out his attack is just that - unfounded theorizing.
But I’ll give you points if you can point to a credible case of any form of “hypnosis” (substitute any equivalent process) being used to make someone do something extreme without any recall of having been so “programmed” or being unable to resist.
Mocking ridiculous conspiracy theories is perfectly fair, since conspiracy theorists don’t care about facts. This particular CT has been blasted full of holes on four different threads now. CTs about Kennedy have been circulating for 50 years and yet - unlike every actual historical event - there is less evidence for them and more evidence against them than at the time of the event. No new facts have been introduced here, of course, merely the assertion that a conspiracy must exist. That assertion is being attacked in every way, including ridicule. Why not? As it stands, the assertion is ridiculous. Go back and read post #9. It’s laugh out loud funny.