Questions about Hitler and Nazi Germany's attempted extermination of Europe's Jews

You haven’t been right on a single point this entire thread. You’ve got no perspective on what is controversial.

When I started looking into the subject one of the first books I bought was Hilberg’s "The Destruction of the European Jews’. Of course I read both sides. Perhaps you should give it a try.

Like if all of what you have spewed here was not debunked already.

First, the door you are pointing out was not a door used in the gas chamber proper, it was a later addition to the same building used originally as the test building, Krematorium I, the other buildings and doors were more up to the “standards” you demand there.

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html

Regarding the Typhus and other items that you spewed:

Seriously?

" Holocaust denial asserts that the doors of the “alleged” gas chambers
were much too weak to withstand the pressure of people trying to
escape death from inside the chambers.

Since none of the Kremas remained in their original state (Bunker I &
II and Kremas II,III,IV and V destroyed, and Krema I modified) there
is no physical evidence as to how the doors of the extermination gas
chambers looked like. However, a door which probably belonged to an
extermination gas chamber was discovered in the camp’s building yard;
it is massive, and reinforced with iron bars. Furthermore, the small
peephole is protected from the inside with a strong metal grid,
probably installed so the victims would not break the glass in the
peephole.

Those making this claim present pictures of doors for the delousing
chambers, which were not fortified, presumably on the assumption that
viewers are too inept to notice the switch"

From here:
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/denial/answers.txt

This is a good question. There are diametrically opposing narratives of what happened. When I saw how different they were I came to the inevitable conclusion that someone was consistently lying. I went for some time in a state of uncertainty. Finally I found what is to me a touchstone, the doors to the Auschwitz gas chamber.

That said, I do not uncritically accept anything that IHR says, or automatically reject anything that USHMM says. They agree on many points, as I noted, for example, the death records in the German camps. When the accounts differ then you have to look for corroboration, logic, other sources, etc. There are some things you simply cannot figure out. And, some things that you have to accept that are seem inconsistent with your overall perspective.

For 50 years the Auschwitz gas chamber was presented as being in its found state, that is, just as it was when the Soviets liberated the camp. You can verify this by watching the David Cole interview with F. Piper linked earlier. Cole, wearing a yarmulke, was given a guided tour by one of the Auschwitz guides which he video taped, so you can see exactly how the gas chamber was presented for 50 years. When the video Cole made, including the interview with the Museum director, revealed to the world that the gas chamber was actually a reconstruction built by the Soviets after the end of the war, the museum and the establishment had to scramble, now there is a plaque at some out of the way spot indicating that the gas chamber is a reconstruction, and the authorities have come up with all sorts of pretzel logic trying to explain the deception. Your link falls in that category.

And the holocaust denier sources lied to you, what a surprise.

Oh, one can figure it out all right, the typhus excuse is really silly, genocide was the order in camps like Auschwitz.

David Cole was wrong as pointed before, you are not really trying.

Gack, why do you think you know better than historians whose factual knowledge of the subject and research skills exceed yours? Do you think your Google searching and junior high physics experiments will uncover some great truth they have either incompetently or intentionally overlooked? Are there other historical events you doubt, and if not why not?

OK, I’m trying harder … Robert Jan Van Pelt is one of the foremost holocaust experts,

On page 363 of their book “Auschwitz 1270 to the Present,” Van Pelt and Dwork state the following, regarding the gas chamber reconstruction:

“When Auschwitz was transformed into a museum after the war, the decision was taken to concentrate the history of the whole complex into one of its component parts. The infamous crematoria where the mass murders had taken place lay in ruins in Birkenau, two miles away. The committee felt that a crematorium was required at the end of the memorial journey, and crematorium I was reconstructed to speak for the history of the incinerators at Birkenau. This program of usurpation was rather detailed. A chimney, the ultimate symbol of Birkenau, was re-created; four hatched openings in the roof, as if for pouring Zyklon B into the gas chamber below, were installed, and two of the three furnaces were rebuilt using original parts. There are no signs to explain these restitutions, they were not marked at the time, and the guides remain silent about it when they take visitors through this building that is presumed by the tourist to be the place where it happened.”

AND?

You are only remarking on what it was indeed the case, Cole was wrong.

“and crematorium I was reconstructed to speak for the history of the incinerators at Birkenau”

Just as what the Polish Museum member reported. All the other items were reported to exist in the other more “up to date” crematoriums, this has been just like a noob researcher that goes to Plymouth Rock and because there **are **a lot of doubts on the recreated location and rock that it was claimed to had been used by the pilgrims, that leads the noob reporter to claim that therefore all the pilgrims never existed. :rolleyes:

I’m wondering if Gack’s real life identity is an Aussie by the name of Brian Souter.

Question:
The Soviets recreated the gas chamber and then it was presented as “Real” to any and everyone who visited.

Two generations later, new guides who couldn’t possibly have known about that have to come up with an explanation because what they thought they could trust was wrong.

How is this “proving” that someone was orchestrating a fraud? Do you know how much information made it past the iron curtain? Little to nothing that wasn’t official prior to the early 1980s when the “curtain” became more like a screen. And the stuff that did was the clandestine things that governments wanted to know (how many bombs, how many launch sites, etc) and NOT whether Auschwitz’s gas chamber was a genuine recreation or not.

An analogue: If you are told your entire life that this is green: :slight_smile: and this is yellow: :rolleyes: When someone finally tells you that your colors are messed up in your head, your reaction isn’t “Oh, thanks!” it’s “What in the hell are you talking about?” and it takes a bit and some research to figure out that you were told the wrong things.

And this book was published in 1996, well after the forgery had been widely known and was included in a book of history on the subject.

It’s interesting that Gack seems to believe that it’s quite reasonable to believe that US foreign policy is controlled evil Zionists, that the US attacked Iraq because because Israel asked it to, and that Mossad was responsible for 911 but doesn’t seem to think its reasonable to believe in the Holocaust.

Such beliefs seem logically inconsistent or perhaps sinisterly consistent.

I’d still like to know what gain would come from a deception of this magnitude. I mean, it’s not like we instated “Give Every Jew You See All Your Money Week” or anything. I mean, this would have been a tremendous amount of resources expended just to say that six million Jews died and then leave it at that.

This thread is incredibly depressing. :frowning:

That is all.

And or course I’m being generous to Cole, but what other cases full of conspiracy theorists have told me, is that the CTs never go back to correct the bad information they pushed before.

So as it is not very likely, I have to say it, after all the information that is available out there and the time that it has passed to make those corrections, one has to declare that Cole is happy to continue to mislead others.

What David Cole pushed was “utter garbage” as one of the members at the James Randhi forum said.

I find it positive myself - Gack’s claims are nonsense and being picked apart. If the response was supportive for Gack, I’d have to reconsider my participation on this message board.

I won’t speak for Gack but most I’ve heard claim that the Holocaust was a hoax to justify the creation of Israel and to justify the carving up of Germany.

Gack’s doing this now. As far as I know he hasn’t revisited his “Bodies cannot be cremated as described” statement, instead going off on a tangent about chicken and lighter fluid. He can back off on that, but leaves the original claim uncorrected, to no doubt be recited (and re-cited) word-for-word in some future discussion.