Quoting myself to point out that this request for the mystery suppressed material has been completely ignored.
This is your best shot? You do realize, of course, that gassing victims would be dead, right? The emaciated ones are the survivors- the ones who weren’t gassed, and weren’t shot, and didn’t die in medical experiments. Thousands of these emaciated survivors witnessed and reported about the gassings, the shootings, and the medical experiments, of course- including the relatives of many of the posters here.
The twisted logic is incomprehensible here- to get from pictures of emaciated survivors that it somehow counts as evidence against the Holocaust… of course there would be emaciated survivors. It fits in 100% with all the facts.
You have nothing. The door is bunk- it wasn’t the real door. The emaciated survivor photos support the account of the Holocaust, of course, as do the documentaries the British shot. The Blobel confession about cremation is the mother of all nitpicks- not to mention that your cremation “experiment” was a joke. He said “covered in gasoline”- maybe it was under them too, maybe they used other fuel, etc. And singling out Blobel is ridiculous, considering the countless other eyewitness reports and POW testimonies about mass murder and mass graves.
You have nothing. You’ve offered nothing new. Every weak point you’ve offered has been debunked, here and/or elsewhere, over and over again. You’ve been lied to- the IHR’s “research” is terrible, and the so-called experts you refer to are buffoons. You have nothing.
You’re thinking of Scopie’s Law
Strictly speaking, in Germany it is not so much claiming that the holocaust is a lie being illegal as it is accusing millions of people of being liars is illegal. The defense against this is being able to prove it completely and succinctly. Complaining about a door in Poland isn’t going to cut it. Its an odd tangent on the law, but an important one.
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One of the pillars of holocaust belief is the testimony of thousands of survivors.
True story - I was in a car returning from a gig at about 2:00 am when my passenger, the trombone player, says something like ‘Can you believe that some people deny the holocaust?’ and I said that I thought that the holocaust story should be examined critically, and he replied … ‘But there are thousands of survivors who have testified about it’, and I said … ‘Well, find me one of those survivors and let’s examine their testimony’.
A few days later to my surprise I get an email with a link to a video of a holocaust survivor. I click on the video and it takes me a while, but I finally realize that the person in the video is Abraham Bomba, famous as the barber of Treblinka, and a favorite of revisionists because of the absurdity of his story. So I email the fellow back pointing out how completely nonsensical Bomba’s testimony is. For those not familiar with Bomba he was featured in the movie Shoah, and his appearance in the movie can be seen here, complete with critical commentary …
https://myspace.com/164620314/video/episode-7-abraham-bomba/43945795
This was not the video the tbone player sent, but its the same guy. Watch the video to see his Shoah footage. Bomba testified that he and 15 other Jewish barbers gave haircuts to 150 naked Jewish women packed sardine like in a 12’ by 12’ gas chamber and after giving them a nice haircut the barbers left and the women were gassed. He relates that they had to give haircuts to women they knew, including their mothers and sisters. After the haircuts it took 5 minutes to gas the women, another few to clean up the room, and the process was repeated. You have to see it.
I told the tbone player, that there were plenty of off the wall survivors like Bomba but that they had already been disavowed by the USHMM and the rest of the holocaust establishment, and that he should try to find a less fantastic witness. He replied that he found Bomba on the USHMM web site, and that the video link he sent was from the USHMM … here is the page … Bomba is the feature witness for Treblinka …
http://www.ushmm.org/online/film/display/detail.php?file_num=4744
He was right, I hadn’t noticed that the link was to the USHMM site. A complete novice had corrected me ! I was a little chagrined, but I saw that it played to my advantage.
If a drunk in a bar tells a fantastic lie, it implicates only him. Bomba’s patently absurd testimony, in itself, implicates only him. But he was featured in the movie Shoah, he is now featured on the USHMM web site. His absurd lies now have the authority of the USHMM, and they therefore implicate the whole holocaust establishment.
I pointed out how absurd Bomba’s testimony, but that was not enough, he replied … " I would need to hear multiple wildly different and contradictory testimonies from the same location in order for significant doubt to be created. "
It just so happened that I was familiar with the book by Yankel Wiernik who also describes the gassings at Treblinka, and of course the account is wildly different, this is Wiernik’s account …
“Suddenly the entrance door would fly open and out would come Ivan, holding a gas pipe, and Nicholas, brandishing a sword. At a signal they would begin admitting the victims, simultaneously beating them mercilessly. The yells of the women, the weeping of the children, cries of despair and mysery, begging for mercy, for God’s vengeance ring in my ears to this day, making it impossible for me to forget the misery I witnessed.”
No barbers, no haircuts. So I thought I had him at this point. His response was …“Also, what I said about Bomba’s testimony is that I have questions, not that it isn’t true, but that I have questions” I’m tellin ya, being a revisionist ain’t easy.
Now, that is just one witness, but he is featured by the USHMM. A few years ago Steven Spielberg made a movie of Jewish eyewitnesses to the holocaust called ‘The Last Days’ for which he received an academy award. One of the 5 featured witnesses is Irene Zizblatt, who even today is making the rounds telling the gullible about her year long stay in Treblinka, where she hid five diamonds from the Nazis by swallowing them, pooping them out, retrieving them, and repeating as necessary. Once she didn’t even have time to clean them off. You have to see it. She also tells how she escaped gassing because as the other prisoners were being shoved into the gas chamber she mysteriously was moving backwards, out of the gas chamber.
Her absurd lies implicate her, Spielberg, the ‘scholars’ who vetted the movie, and the entire holocaust establishment who promoted the movie, and the Hollywood establishment that gave the movie and academy award.
To see the numerous absurdities of the movie exposed in detail see the movie ‘The Last Days of the Big Lie’ by Eric Hunt, online at…
The Soviet state, known as a paragon of truth and virtuousness, lied. Shocker. The historical society (that was not even the same from when the Soviets did this) accepted the details they were given, and they found out later it was a lie.
Sweet Hosannah, show me more evidence. I’m rapt with attention for something that’s been used for 40 years to question the official story and been debunked in and of itself.
I’m sorry, but I’ve walked you through this already. I’ll try one last time to put it another way:
What is protecting the guy who made this accusation? If you have the resources to kill 3.5% of the world’s population so that you can get a stranglehold on the world, you certainly have the resources to kill all who question it. So, what’s keeping the entire population of Idaho alive? What’s keeping everyone who visits your IHR alive? Hm? Why haven’t you already been sacked for questioning it, here?
That’s an honest series of questions.
Occam’s Razor begs us to look at this and look at the simplest possible explanation first, and I’m a very strong proponent of that. What’s harder:
-Soviets did something that was forgotten about over two generations because it wasn’t on anyone’s top of the list?
-Or massive, world-wide conspiracy to cover up some nebulous secret control for 80 years that no one has been able to find out information on EXCEPT the fact that the Soviets rebuilt one of the gas chambers?
“And they would have gotten away with it, if it hadn’t been for those dang kids and their door!”
Two witnesses are using their experiences to make their lives better (probably through speaking fees or movie endorsements).
How does this hold back the testimony of thousands?
By the way, your own accepting of another’s testimony:
Means that you now only have to debunk a single story using the other thousands of testimonies.
Your trombone-playing friend is right and you are wrong. You cannot disregard all of the evidence because you can find one or two flaws. Saying things like “this obviously leads to a larger issue!” is an intellectual dishonesty unless you can ALSO prove the larger issue. What this proves is that some people are either crazy or dicks. Or crazy dicks.
Hollywood made a movie that was dramatized and not factual.
Well, someone get Mythbusters on the phone. We need to see if this is common or not.
That is nonsense on its face. They forgot they had constructed a fake gas chamber. LOL !
But even if it were not nonsense, it still wouldn’t wash - if the lie was hidden, impossible to detect, then it could be forgotten by those whose knew and never known to those who didn’t, but this was an absurd lie, a gas chamber with a wooden office door with a large plate glass window. You can’t forget a lie like that, it’s staring you right in the face, it is an absurd lie, like many of the holocaust lies, see my previous post on holocaust testimony.
It doesn’t hold back the testimony of a single witness.
But since it is broadcast by the USHMM it implicates the whole holocaust establishment in the lie, the USHMM is lying, Spielberg is lying, the ‘scholars’ who vetted Speilberg’s movie are lying.
Now, I’ll make the same suggestion to you as I made to the trombone player, find a better Jewish witness, not someone on trial for their life, and let’s examine their testimony. If there are 1000s you should have no trouble finding one credible Jewish witness.
I have a question for you, Gack:
If the Holocaust is a lie, who was behind it? As in, who was responsible for the set-up and (sorry) execution of the hoax?
That door is not the one that the chamber had originally, try again.
No need to, the testimony and written evidence of the Nazi soldiers and managers of the camps was enough to declare people like Irving as racist holocaust deniers.
NOVA: Holocaust on Trial (2000)Transcript here:
That would take us far afield, but it is no mystery. The history goes way back to the early 1900s and is multi-faceted, but let’s pick it up the central thread at a pivotal moment …
at the end of WW II the US set up the War Refugee Board to deal with postwar Europe, it consisted of 3 men and was headed by Henry Morgenthau, FDRs Sec. of the Treasury. The blueprint for the standard holocaust narrative was put into print by the World Jewish Congress, it was a report from two unidentified Jews (their names were revealed years later, one was R. Vrba) who had escaped from Auschwitz, this report was sent to the US government and various newpapers, etc., and to the WRB. Morgenthau, without the consent of the other two members of the WRB, published the report as an official report of the US govt. That was the point at which an unattributed report from the WJC became the official policy/view of the US govt. David Irving found the relevant documents in FDRs library and he recounts the story in this fascinating vid …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S7BrcH-6Yw
You should probably also watch the previous vid in the series.
The full account is only available in the book ‘The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, the Case Against the Presumed Destruction of the European Jews’ by Northwestern U prof Arthur Butz.
…Yeah… :rolleyes:
You aren’t worth trying, anymore. Sorry, but you aren’t going to convince anyone here by saying things that are thoroughly debunked. Have been shown to be debunked in this thread, and you keep trying to use. Especially when you don’t seem to be able to think outside of the evidence you keep pointing to again and again.
Wait…so… TWO RANDOM JEWS and ONE GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL managed to pull off thousands upon thousands of videos, photos, testimonies, and other evidence to make everyone THINK that the Holocaust happened. With NO ONE coming forward in the intervening years to say that they helped?
That is fabulous. Really.
Because the Nazis didn’t feed them enough, and worked them until they were not fit to work, and then gassed them. Or in some cases gassed them first thing, but you didn’t see those because they were cremated. The bodies you saw were those who died at the very end of the war when everything was falling apart – no time to cremate them – many of them died of starvation, not gassing.
One thing I’ve never heard any denier explain: Much of what we think we know about the Holocaust comes from the Nuremberg Trials, presided over by American, British and Soviet generals. If the Holocaust was a hoax, how did the perpetrators of that hoax manage to gull all those generals? They were not stupid or gullible men, and they were well in a position to get at the real facts of the matter.