I can’t help but note that Gack has refused to rsepond to my questions.
I wish I could say such intellectual cowardice surprised me, but I can’t.
In case my follow-up question got lost with the start of a new page, I’ll ask again, Gack: why is it that you accept that the Nazis gassed the handicapped? Why does “no one doubt it”, to quote you? How is the evidence for the T4 Program more definitive than that for the Holocaust? I ask because the nature of the evidence is very similar, although there is orders of magnitude more evidence for The Holocaust.
Given that you don’t repudiate the T4 Program and the gassing it involved, do you deny that many of its personnel formed the core of workers for the supervision and administration of the gassing of Jews? Is it a coincidence that the same people who were involved in the T4 Program were identified as being involved at Sobibor, Belzec, Treblinka, and Auschwitz (e.g. Wirth, Hackenholt, et al.)? Why else would the T4 Project personnel, with their unique expertise, be moved, almost en bloc, to the Reinhard camps? Why were those particular people ordered to go there? Why not just order the nearest ‘X’ number of SS men and officers to report there? That would have been much simpler logistically and thus would have been the default. Why not opt for the default? Why did the “higher ups” choose the T4 people to staff the camps despite the logistical (and other) barriers such a decision would present?
The problem, of course, is that you have set a very low bar to achieving your satisfaction when reading anti-semitic tracts of Holocaust deniers while setting an impossibly high bar for actual facts.
I am sure that you are willing to state that you believe all the nonsense you posted in the next 12 points. However, there is ample evidence posted in this thread to demonstrate that your belief is based on lies and misunderstandings. It is not our fault that you prefer to accept the lies rather than the facts.
And, based on the way that you stick to your position in the face of actual evidence, you are persuading me that you have no interest in actually learning about the events, only an interest in furthering the lies of the deniers.
For example:
I have already pointed out on more than one occasion that you are unrealistically being silly in this regard. People who compile photos and movies to display on television shows use stock footage. They do it all the time. This is not an example of any conspiracy. It is an example of people putting together shows who do not have the time or money to hunt down every possible “genuine” photo or movie, so they substitute stock film of related incidents.
That you would continue to post your nonsense that I have just quoted after I have already demonstrated your error, without a single effort at rebuttal from you, (not that you could actually provide such a rebuttal), demonstrates that you are willing to post opinions that have already been demonstrated to be false. You appear to be either incapable of or unwilling to actually examine genuine evidence. (Or, possibly, you are simply not a person who deals well with logic.) That is not genuine debate and it certainly does not demonstrate an honest approach to discovering the truth.
More and more you look like the typical Holocaust denier who wanders into this forum with a claim that he or she wants to “find the truth,” but who actually struggles to deny every fact and truth so as to promote their own odd beliefs.
The fact that typhus (and dysentary, etc.) killed 35,000 at the end of the war is well documented. See for example this article in USA today written by Arthur Max working in conjunction with the USHMM
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-19-holocaust-papers_x.htm
From the article …
- Six months later, aged 15, she died an anonymous death, one of some 35,000 casualties of typhus that ravaged the Bergen-Belsen camp.*
In addition the Brits made a movie of documentary footage taken when they entered the Belsen camp, you can see it here …
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/camp/
You can see the piles of bodies, the bulldozers pushing the bodies into mass graves, in this movie.
Fine. So you only need to explain the other 5,965,000 Jewish people murdered by the Nazis. 
That is not evidence that all or most of the bodies in the video footage died from typhus. Many of the bodies show clear signs of extreme starvation. And this says nothing about the millions of others killed.
And you continue to ignore what Himmler said, in a verified recording. Himmler tried to steel his men for the murder of Jewish women and children, and explicitly referred to the extermination of the Jews.
You are a pathetic failure.
Also from your article.
Since you cited the article, you must feel the information it contains is authentic.
Will you now admit the holocaust is real?
In addition, there is a very good article on Belsen by Mark Weber here …
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n3p23_Weber.html
It gives a more complete desciription of the conditions at Belsen at the end of the war and contains the following passage which gives the observations of an English physician …
*Dr. Russell Barton, an English physician who spent a month in Bergen-Belsen after the war with the British Army, has also explained the reasons for the catastrophic conditions found there:
Most people attributed the conditions of the inmates to deliberate intention on the part of the Germans in general and the camp administrators in particular. Inmates were eager to cite examples of brutality and neglect, and visiting journalists from different countries interpreted the situation according to the needs of propaganda at home.
For example, one newspaper emphasized the wickedness of the “German masters” by remarking that some of the 10,000 unburied dead were naked. In fact, when the dead were taken from a hut and left in the open for burial, other prisoners would take their clothing from them …
German medical officers told me that it had been increasingly difficult to transport food to the camp for some months. Anything that moved on the autobahns was likely to be bombed …
I was surprised to find records, going back for two or three years, of large quantities of food cooked daily for distribution. I became convinced, contrary to popular opinion, that there had never been a policy of deliberate starvation. This was confirmed by the large numbers of well-fed inmates. Why then were so many people suffering from malnutrition?.. The major reasons for the state of Belsen were disease, gross overcrowding by central authority, lack of law and order within the huts, and inadequate supplies of food, water and drugs.
In trying to assess the causes of the conditions found in Belsen one must be alerted to the tremendous visual display, ripe for purposes of propaganda, that masses of starved corpses presented.*
No, the quote is nonsense. No one, other than Elie Wiesel, literally, claims that children or anyone else were thrown alive into fires. It is just more testimony that is totally divorced from documentation, or corroboration, or even common sense. The fact that it can published to the world in USA Today as fact is another confirmation of a massive conspiracy to create false history in the public mind.
You have proof the quote is nonsense? You cited the article as an authoritative source.
Now you’re saying the source of your own cite is unreliable?
Also, even if the 35000 died in one year, that’s 95 per day. That can’t account for the piles of bodies that required bulldozers.
On the one hand, we have this statement from the doctor (which doesn’t exactly show the Nazis in a good light), and on the other hand, we have thousands of statements from survivors, witnesses, and perpetrators, including admissions by the Nazis, and including the recorded audio of Himmler instructing his men to kill all the Jewish women and children, and steeling their nerves for such a task.
Your “evidence” is non-existent, and you are a pathetic failure.
There are thousands of photographs and eyewitness reports of the Nazis executing Jewish women and children. Whether or not some were thrown into fires does nothing to discount the proof that Nazis killed millions of women and children.
It took me all of twenty seconds to find multiple accounts of Jews being burned alive in the Holocaust.
I’m aware of accounts of Jews being burned alive by being burned alive in a burning building. But this is something different, the Jew is thrown, alive, into a fire. I’d like to see the other accounts of that. I regard it as impossible, if anyone was thrown into a fire they would immediately run/climb out.
of all the outraguous claims you have made - I think you have topped yourself right there.
Your chicken didn’t climb out.
No, no, don’t challenge him on that. Next thing we know, he’ll be throwing a live chicken on a fire.
I’ll see you that and raise you this;
Please don’t try this experiment with chickens, mice, hobbits or anything else.
[James T. Kirk] MEIER! [/James T. Kirk]
This thread no longer serves a purpose. The poster in question is either debating under bad faith or intentionally trolling.
I respect the efforts of everyone to try to get to the truth. But it’s clear nothing is being accomplished.