Questions about Hitler and Nazi Germany's attempted extermination of Europe's Jews

[iiandyiiii]

@Gack

So, the fact that photos of typhus victims have been misrepresented as victims of Nazi gassing for 60 years, right up till today as evidenced by the Oprah show, does not have anything to do with whether or not the holocaust happened, you are right. I’m not fishing for a massive conspiracy, I’m demonstrating it beyond any doubt.

You failed to demonstrate that all the pictures of bodies were of typhus victims- many of them showed clear signs of long-term starvation which would not be present on typhus victims. No evidence for a conspiracy here.

The same is true of the phony witnesses like Abraham Bomba featured on the USHMM web site, and Irene Zizblatt featured in Speilber’g academy award winning movie. False witnesses don’t have anything to do with whether or not the holocaust happened, but using them to sell their version of the holocaust by the USHMM and Hollywood is direct irrefutable evidence of a massive conspiracy.

You failed to demonstrate that Bomba and Zizblatt are phony witnesses. And even if they were, they could just be common charlatans. No evidence of a conspiracy here.

The fake gas chamber at Auschwitz doesn’t disprove the holocaust, but it does prove a massive conspiracy to sell a false history of the Auschwitz.

No it doesn’t- at worst it shows that the Soviets often played fast and loose with facts, which we already knew.

The torture of Rudolf Hoess does not prove the holocaust did not happen, it does prove that there is a massive conspiracy to create false history.

This is utterly ridiculous. The possible torture of one man is zero evidence for a conspiracy.

The suppression of the British movie made of documentary film taken when they entered Belsen is proof of a massive conspiracy to hide the truth.

There was no suppression of the documentary film. And even if there was, that is zero evidence of a massive conspiracy.

The fact that the Russians hid the Auschwitz records for 50 years is evidence of a massive conspiracy.

No, that’s evidence of normal Soviet behavior. The Soviets were not terribly honest or historically accurate- we already know this. Luckily, huge amounts of evidence for the Holocaust comes from other sources.

The fact that the Red Cross has hid the records captured at the German camps is direct evidence of a massive conspiracy.

Whether this is true or not (and you failed to demonstrate it), it is zero evidence for a conspiracy.

The publication of documents supplied by the World Jewish Congress as the product of the War Refugee Board, as demonstrated, is evidence of a massive conspiracy to deceive the public.

Nonsense, and no evidence for a conspiracy.

The list is endless, there is no question that there has been a massive conspiracy to create a false history of the holocaust.

Your list of made-up evidence for a conspiracy may be endless, but is not reality-based. You (or the IHR and other fraudsters you get your info from) have found nothing but some curiosities that are found throughout history, and do nothing to address the massive amounts of evidence for the Holocaust.

Evidence for a conspiracy looks something like this:

• minutes of a meeting, perhaps, conducted by powerful individuals, in which they discuss the planning of a terrible crime and how to cover up the evidence for it
• recorded audio of a political leader, not released to the public, instructing his underlings of the necessity for a terrible crime (including the murder of women and children) and why they must not feel guilty for it
• admissions and testimony from the perpetrators, after the fact, in which they admit the terrible crime occurred, even if they claim they bear no blame for it
• supporting testimony and evidence from thousands of other eyewitnesses and documents, photographs, and other physical evidence

I guess there was a conspiracy- the Wannsee Conference minutes are the first, Himmler’s verified audio recording (which you keep ignoring- and I’m going to keep mentioning) in which he instructs his men of the necessity to kill all the Jewish women and children is the second, the testimony and signed statements from Nazi defendants is the third, and the myriad of additional evidence is the fourth. There was a conspiracy- a documented conspiracy by the Nazis, orchestrated and conducted by the Nazis and their allies, to exterminate all the Jews of Europe. The Final Solution to the Jewish Question.

You are a pathetic failure.

[Steken]

@QuickSilver

In service of what?

He has already answered this question.

He believes that the Jews couldn’t, initially, afford tickets to Palestine, so they organized a fake holocaust in order to get bleeding-heart types to hand over their cash so that they could, you know, buy tickets to Palestine.

[running_coach]

@Steken

He has already answered this question.

**He believes that the Jews couldn’t, initially, afford tickets to Palestine, **so they organized a fake holocaust in order to get bleeding-heart types to hand over their cash so that they could, you know, buy tickets to Palestine.

And yet we all know they’re rolling in money and control the world’s banks. :rolleyes:

[Gack]

I forgot one of the most dramatic proofs of a massive conspriacy to create false history, and that is that it is illegal to challenge the history of the holocaust in 17 countries.

[QuickSilver]

@Steken

He has already answered this question.

He believes that the Jews couldn’t, initially, afford tickets to Palestine, so they organized a fake holocaust in order to get bleeding-heart types to hand over their cash so that they could, you know, buy tickets to Palestine.

No shouting out answers from the audience.

Let’s hear it Gack… for what reason did thousands upon thousands of witnesses and victims and historians and leading Nazis who confessed to committing war crimes, get together and (according to you) decide to pull off the greatest conspiracy in recorded history? How did they manage to do so? For what reason? What evidence do you have of this conspiracy? We’ll accept the following as evidence:

@iiandyiiii

Evidence for a conspiracy looks something like this:

• minutes of a meeting, perhaps, conducted by powerful individuals, in which they discuss the planning of a terrible crime and how to cover up the evidence for it
• recorded audio of a political leader, not released to the public, instructing his underlings of the necessity for a terrible crime (including the murder of women and children) and why they must not feel guilty for it
• admissions and testimony from the perpetrators, after the fact, in which they admit the terrible crime occurred, even if they claim they bear no blame for it
• supporting testimony and evidence from thousands of other eyewitnesses and documents, photographs, and other physical evidence.

[Musicat]

@Gack

The list is endless, there is no question that there has been a massive conspiracy to create a false history of the holocaust.

Who’s at the top of all of this, controlling everything? The Illuminati? Men in Black? Dead Kennedys? Billy Meier?

Whoever they are, they sure are super-competent to be able to fool everyone for so long. Except you, of course, who can see right through it. Where did they slip up and why are the letting you live? If they can shut everyone else up, aren’t you taking a terrible risk revealing this to us?

[QuickSilver]

@Gack

I forgot one of the most dramatic proofs of a massive conspriacy to create false history, and that is that it is illegal to challenge the history of the holocaust in 17 countries.

And yet here we all are, on the World Wide Web, posting from various corners of the globe, discussing at length and detail this very subject. And nobody appears to be the least bit concerned that at any moment some jack-booted Mossad agent is going to come through the door to prevent the exposure of this “massive conspiracy” you claim exists.

Well, at least most of us are not.

As** iiandyiiii** pointed out - You are a pathetic failure.

[Kobal2]

@Musicat

Who’s at the top of all of this, controlling everything? The Illuminati? Men in Black? Dead Kennedys? Billy Meier?

De Schuden ! HRRRRRRR de Schuden !

[GIGObuster]

@Gack

I forgot one of the most dramatic proofs of a massive conspriacy to create false history, and that is that it is illegal to challenge the history of the holocaust in 17 countries.

No, that is one of the most dumb reasons, I have checked the laws, virtually all refer to public displays of hate that includes the denial of the Holocaust, the solution for fellows like you is to publish on historical journals and show the evidence you have, getting the facts right in historical publications and subjecting yourself to peer review is not illegal.

What is illegal is to take your sorry debunked information (and Flaming Chikens ) and go to the public at large denying the holocaust just because you failed to get support for your opinion where it counts.

[running_coach]

@GIGObuster

Flaming Chikens

Neo-Nazi band name!

[Dissonance]

Let’s see here:

@Gack

@Dissonance

I’ve got a much better idea. Perhaps you could explain why SS-Standartenführer Karl Jäger put together a list breaking down by date, number of Jewish and non-Jewish shot, and the number who were women and children who were killed by his Einsatzkommando in Lithuania with the total reaching 137,346 people murdered as I’ve asked you to several times, most recently just a few posts ago. If Einsatzkommando 3 didn’t murder 137,000 odd men, women and children between 2 July 1941 to 25 November 1941, why did SS-Standartenführer Karl Jäger put together a report stating that the men under his command had done just that, and proudly boasted “I can state today that the goal of solving the Jewish problem in Lithuania has been reached by Einsatzkommando 3. There are no more Jews in Lithuania, apart from working Jews and their families.” You’ll note he isn’t passing the credit off to local Lithuanians, he is stating that his men, the Nazis, committed mass murder on a monstrous scale. Further, this was only one Einsatzkommando from Einsatzgruppe A. There were 3 other Einsatzgruppe happily shooting Jews and other undesirables from the Black Sea to the Baltic.

This is one of the things I can’t explain.

Yet you drag out this horseshit:

@Gack

Einsatzgruppen reports claim that the ‘actions’ in Lithuania were encouraged by the Nazis but carried out by Lithuanian anti-communists partisans.

So, this appears to be the reality of the Lithuanian holocaust. The arrival of the Nazis unleashed a series of pogroms against the Jews and a war between Lithanian anti-communist partisans and the Jews, with the Nazis assisting the Lithuanian anti-communists.

I think I’ll go with iiandyiiii on this one: you are a pathetic failure.

[Robot_Arm]

This little piece of lint in my navel is evidence of a massive conspiracy.

[Gack]

These words …

Evil has a name, the holocaust. A systematic mass murder, meticulously planned and executed by Nazi Germany that brutally wiped millions of people off the face of the earth. More than six million of those human beings were Jewish.

spoken by Oprah Winfrey while horrific pictures of typhus victims taken after the war at Belsen are on the screen and being shown to millions of viewers is direct evidence of a massive conspiracy to falsify history. You can see it here, you only have to watch for 1 minute …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KugVjbq6Si8
The conspiracy included those who participated knowingly, and those who participate unwittingly, they include active participants, Oprah, the writers for the show, the producers, AT&T who sponsored the show, NBC, and also those who participate passively, every professor of history who knows the truth of the photos and does not object to this misrepresentation is also a participant.

[TroutMan]

@Gack

The conspiracy included those who participated knowingly, and those who participate unwittingly, they include active participants, Oprah, the writers for the show, the producers, AT&T who sponsored the show, NBC, and also those who participate passively, every professor of history who knows the truth of the photos and does not object to this misrepresentation is also a participant.

This is beyond awesome. I’m glad I stuck around this thread long enough to learn the truth.

[iiandyiiii]

@Gack

These words …

Evil has a name, the holocaust. A systematic mass murder, meticulously planned and executed by Nazi Germany that brutally wiped millions of people off the face of the earth. More than six million of those human beings were Jewish.

spoken by Oprah Winfrey while horrific pictures of typhus victims taken after the war at Belsen are on the screen and being shown to millions of viewers is direct evidence of a massive conspiracy to falsify history. You can see it here, you only have to watch for 1 minute …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KugVjbq6Si8
The conspiracy included those who participated knowingly, and those who participate unwittingly, they include active participants, Oprah, the writers for the show, the producers, AT&T who sponsored the show, NBC, and also those who participate passively, every professor of history who knows the truth of the photos and does not object to this misrepresentation is also a participant.

You’ve said this over and over again, but it’s blatantly false. Many of the pictures were not typhus victims- they had obvious signs of extreme starvation. You are incorrect about the photos, as you are about nearly everything here. You’re just filled with pathetic wrongness. There is zero evidence of a conspiracy.

[iiandyiiii]

I’ll also point out that you continue to ignore what Himmler said, in an audio recording (verified by comparing it to contemporary public recordings of Himmler) which is freely available to all. Here it is again:

I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It’s one of those things that is easily said: ‘The Jewish people are being exterminated’, says every party member, ‘this is very obvious, it’s in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we’re doing it, hah, a small matter.’ […] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. […] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

and also:

I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. […] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

[Capt_Kirk]

@Gack

These words …

Evil has a name, the holocaust. A systematic mass murder, meticulously planned and executed by Nazi Germany that brutally wiped millions of people off the face of the earth. More than six million of those human beings were Jewish.

spoken by Oprah Winfrey while horrific pictures of typhus victims taken after the war at Belsen are on the screen and being shown to millions of viewers is direct evidence of a massive conspiracy to falsify history. You can see it here, you only have to watch for 1 minute …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KugVjbq6Si8
The conspiracy included those who participated knowingly, and those who participate unwittingly, they include active participants, Oprah, the writers for the show, the producers, AT&T who sponsored the show, NBC, and also those who participate passively, every professor of history who knows the truth of the photos and does not object to this misrepresentation is also a participant.

Even if the things you claim were true (they are not), locking people up and creating conditions in the camps that allow Typhus, Dysentery and the like, still and absolutely make you guilty of mass murder, the only difference is the means.

Capt

[Jonathan_Chance]

@Gack

These words …

Evil has a name, the holocaust. A systematic mass murder, meticulously planned and executed by Nazi Germany that brutally wiped millions of people off the face of the earth. More than six million of those human beings were Jewish.

spoken by Oprah Winfrey while horrific pictures of typhus victims taken after the war at Belsen are on the screen and being shown to millions of viewers is direct evidence of a massive conspiracy to falsify history. You can see it here, you only have to watch for 1 minute …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KugVjbq6Si8
The conspiracy included those who participated knowingly, and those who participate unwittingly, they include active participants, Oprah, the writers for the show, the producers, AT&T who sponsored the show, NBC, and also those who participate passively, every professor of history who knows the truth of the photos and does not object to this misrepresentation is also a participant.

Gack, I respect that you believe the typhus stuff, but it’s been debunked here already. This begins to look like you’re intentionally trying to get a rise out of the other posters in the thread. Either you can provide some better back up for the typhus theory or I will close this thread.

[Gyrate]

But what about the aliens? The fact that alien ships beamed up millions of Jews and assorted other people, with the disappearances covered up by the chaos of war, proves that the Nazis couldn’t have killed them! And the fact that the evidence of this alien abduction has been so thoroughly covered up that no one can find it proves the existence of a massive conspiracy!

CONNECT THE DOT, SHEEPLE!

[Jonathan_Chance]

Obligatory XKCD link.

Sheeple