You’re missing one important number. Holocaust deniers will point out that Germany was losing a war, and the deaths were exacerbated by the destruction of the infrastructure needed to support the camps. If this were true, of course, it would affect all prisoners in Germany more-or-less equally. So, what was the death rate in POW camps in Germany during the war?
Turns out it was about 4%
The purpose of this thread is not to allow you to discredit some photographs one by one. The purpose of this thread is for you to answer the OP’s questions as you said you would do.
From the other thread:
Gack
Join Date: Sep 2013
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Originally Posted by iiandyiiii
So you are refusing to answer those questions. If I start a thread on those questions, will you answer them?
Gack: To the best of my knowledge.
So we’re waiting for clear answers.
to be fair - he said he would answer to the ‘best of his knowledge’ - so, apparently, we are getting his ‘best’ right now.
4% ? is this specifically POW camps and not including the internment camps? otheriwse, I’m not following you very well…
There are two things to consider, the big killer in the camps was typhus which the Nazis battled continuously. There were typhus epidemics at other camps including Auschwitz during the war. Also tyhpus was a big killer in WW 1, from wiki …
“During World War I typhus caused three million deaths in Russia and more in Poland and Romania. Delousing stations were established for troops on the Western front but the disease ravaged the armies of the Eastern front, with over 150,000 dying in Serbia alone. Fatalities were generally between 10 to 40 percent of those infected, and the disease was a major cause of death for those nursing the sick.”
By WW II the US used DDT to combat tyhpus but the Nazis did not. DDT effectively ended the scourge of tyhpus in the west.
*Holocaust deniers will point out that Germany was losing a war, and the deaths were exacerbated by the destruction of the infrastructure needed to support the camps. *
This is true. From the USHMM…
“During its existence, approximately 50,000 persons died in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp”
and as we have seen 35,000 of these were at the end of the war.
*If this were true, of course, it would affect all prisoners in Germany more-or-less equally. *
I don’t understand this reasoning. Some camps were overcrowded because prisoners from the eastern camps that the Soviets had liberated were transferred west. Also, not all camps had typhus epidemics.
In any case I believe the death statistics for the camps in Germany are agreed on by all parties. And well established by documentary evidence.
23,456,869,129 . That was just on a Sunday
Yes, specifically the POW camps, as opposed to the internment camps. The point being, if the deaths were caused by a breakdown of German infrastructure, you’d have seen increased mortality in all the camps they administered. But the Germans were able to keep deaths in their POW camps to about the same level as that in Allied camps. It’s only in the internment camps do the Germans suddenly become helpless in the face of wave after wave of typhus attacks.
Approximately seventy percent of the Jews in German-controlled territory died during the Nazi period. Most of them within a six year period.
Are you suggesting that typhus was the primary cause of death? If so, why do you feel it had such a disproportionately high death rate on Jews? Despite the supposed efforts by the Germans to treat it. And the fact that the death rate in WWII was generally lower than the WWI figures you cited.
And to repeat my earlier question: Do you feel that Germany was at war with the Jews?
This sort of goal-post shifting is disingenuous, at best.
Bergen-Belsen was a concentration camp with a role similar to the camp at Dachau. At various times it held POWs and political prisoners, and was occasionally used as a transit point for Jews and other Untermenschen destined to be sent to the extermination camps.
In a discussion of the mass murders, pointing to (relatively) “low” mortality in Bergen-Belsen is nothing more than an attempt to divert discussion away from the actual number of deaths inflicted at the Auschwitz complex, Treblinka, Sobibor, and the other extermination camps.
Ok - thats what i thought you meant –
To clear up one possible point of confusion, I realize the OP wasn’t directed at me but it did ask how many Jews were killed in the Holocaust. I mentioned a figure of approximately twelve million but this included all Holocaust victims. The number of Jewish victims killed was approximately half that total - around six million.
Gotta love the old typhus claims by the deniers:
can someone explain to me, in simple terms, what the point is in ‘denying’ these events happened on the scale they did?
Looking through your posting history which is less than a month old you seem to post almost exclusively with various Jewish conspiracy theories and in past threads went so far to strongly imply that you believed that most American Jews were fanatical Zionists who shouldn’t be trusted?
Is there a particular reason why you seem to be so obsessed with the Jews?
Not by the way attacking you. I’m honestly asking.
Along the same lines, do you think that Hitler was right to distrust the German Jews and suspect that they were more loyal to their fellow Jews than other Germans and that we should take his measures as examples of self-defense?
Typhus is a bloody stupid thing for the deniers to carry on about anyway.
If I kidnap someone, lock them in a room and let them starve to death, I don’t think turning up in court with the excuse of “I’m innocent, it was a lack of food that killed them!” would get me very far.
Will you. Really.
For some, it’s an attempt to sweep the shame under the rug. They want the fantasy of a spotless history. This is strange and stupid and absurd. It would be like American revisionists trying to claim that slavery never happened here.
In Germany? I can see that explanation working, I guess. Except that it’s illegal to deny the Holocaust in Germany (or have Nazi propaganda, literature, etc)
Why does this happen in the US? Are the white power groups in Idaho really needing acceptance all of the sudden?
[ol]
[li]Look at the Jews - master manipulators and liars. Hardly any of them died, and with their media control, they’ve duped the entire world into believing them. And/or the Jews used the “Holocaust Narrative” to steal land in the Middle East.[/li][li]Hitler was a good guy, and the Jews are awful human beings as a rule. So Hitler was right to want to exterminate them, but he didn’t actually get around to it and the whole “Holocaust” thing is just a Jewish attempt to tarnish Hitler’s good name. Not that it would’ve been bad if he did exterminate the Jews. It’s just that he didn’t actually try to. [/li][li]Hitler was a great man, and it was only through the awful actions of the jealous European powers, and the perfidious Jews, that Germany fell. We must set the record straight, as the Nazis were good people and it’s wrong that they aren’t well respected. [/li][/ol]
I think that’s pretty much the gamut, I’m not sure though… it’s not exactly a rational position to take.
Odd as it may seem, most folks who aren’t complete sociopaths at some level wants some degree of acceptance. Even Neo-Nazis. They are true believers and they think the world would be much better off if there were more true believers of the right type*.