Right. On one hand, men tend to have more body hair than women do; but on the other hand, the vast majority of women grow pubic and armpit hair. It’s weird to me how something that grows naturally on the vast majority of women’s bodies could be considered unfeminine.
Not only that, but for all these centuries, somehow men have held their noses and had sex with all these hairy women. I mean, come on. It’s sex ! 
I realize it’s cultural conditioning. Like aboriginal folks who extend their necks with rings or put plugs in their ears or tatto their faces. It’s “sexy” in some parts of the world to do that, and now modern culture says it’s “sexy” to shave your lady bits.
I’m still amused by it.
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t. It’s not black and white as you’d have us believe. Clearly you’re not understanding my intended meaning, so let me say it another way. I am attracted to women with smooth legs, trimmed pelvic region, and hairless armpits. I have yet to meet a woman with armpit and leg hair that I am attracted to. That is my personal preference and I am entitled to it. I would even go so far as to say that it is a preference that I did not choose, as I can’t ever remember a single instance in my entire lifetime when I have been attracted to an untrimmed woman. With that in mind, I believe that women “should” shave because it would increase the number of women that I am attracted to, thus increasing my selection of potential partners. This should not, under any circumstances, imply that I believe that women have an obligation to shave. It does not mean that I think less of women who choose not to shave. It does not mean that women shouldn’t have the freedom to choose to shave or not. It simply means that it would be more advantageous for me if every woman shaved. On the other hand, while I prefer women with long hair, I have also been attracted to women with short hair. I have even met women who look better with short hair than they do with long hair. Therefore, if all women had long hair, my selection of potential partners would not change significantly. Thus, I do not believe that women “should” have long hair.
I think what’s happened here is that you’ve taken my statement to have some sort of sexist meaning, as if I come home at night and ask my woman to bring me a drink and cook dinner while I watch TV. That’s not the case at all. There’s nothing wrong with me believing that women should shave. Think of it this way: if I’m standing in line behind you at the grocery store and I have one item and you have fifty, I think you “should” let me go first. I won’t get mad at you if you don’t or think you’re wrong in anyway. You got there first and it’s your right to go before me. However, it would greatly benefit me if you let me go first, and I would end up thinking you were a nice person. If you don’t care about any of that, don’t let me go first. I won’t hold it against you.
I hope that clears up the shaving thing, but I still don’t understand why anyone would assume that a word like “should” can have one and only one context. Most words can have different levels of emphasis. Some examples:
Strong emphasis
Cigarettes should be illegal. My grandfather and uncle died of lung cancer due to smoking, and my father died when he fell asleep on the couch with a cigarette in his hand and burned the house down. I actively participate in anti-smoking campaigns because I feel very strongly about this.
Moderate emphasis
You should call your mother. Maybe not every day or right this minute. Don’t cancel plans or stop something important to call her. If she’s a horrible person or she abandoned you when you were young I’ll understand if you don’t. I just think that, in general, calling your mother is a good thing to do.
Low emphasis
We should go to lunch sometime. I won’t be offended if we don’t. I don’t expect you to drop what you’re doing and go to lunch this instant. We don’t have to put something on the calendar locking you into a specific date and time. If we go to a movie instead, I won’t get angry. I’m really just saying that getting together would be a nice thing to do when it’s convenient.
See? A variety of uses. If a friend calls you up and says that they’re having a barbecue and you should come over, do you get angry at him for implying that you have a moral obligation to come? Or do you assume that your friend is expressing his preference for you being at his party?
Who in hell says she is? I love girl hairs! Please please quit shaving!!!
Beyond OK.
So far I haven’t broken up with anyone because she shaves but it’s a current active issue right at this very moment. OK not quite at this exact very moment. Umm, I’m hoping she is OK that I don’t prefer shaved, since she already kinda went to the trouble of. I expressed my preference before I knew she scrapes 'em off.
Not that I’ve noticed. Skins themselves do, so it’s a reasonable premise.
Never been a problem.
Ignorant. What the heck to the Japanese depict? I’ve never been “drenched” except when someone peed on me by accident during stand-up sex, not sure if that counts.
I have never been with a woman who shaved her pubic hair. They all did nothing or just trimmed. (well, maybe once, but I can’t recall)
I have been with 2 women (and married one) who don’t shave anything at all. It’s perfectly natural, I don’t really care, and I don’t understand our society’s obsession with it. I will say oral sex is a bit easier when the hair is trimmed, but it’s not really a big deal.
A question for you: What is your gender, orientation, and experience with vaginas?
Don’t forget leg hair.
Are people seriously getting this upset about the word SHOULD? Perhaps he made a poor choice in the original wording, but after you read that he just has this as a personal preference for women he has sex with you’re still up in arms?
I don’t get it
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. 
I think part of the problem is that the post which included the phrase “I believe [shaving] should be a regular part of her ‘maintenance’ routine” started with the ridiculous analogy, “I can’t speak for others, but what I meant by the comparison was that a woman choosing not to trim/shave would be the equivalent of me choosing not to wear deoderant or shower.”
Personally I think the whole thing (no pun intended) could have been avoided by pointing out that vaginas don’t have hair, although of course the areas around their openings may.
Nor is vaginae the same as pussae. 
I really wish this practice of referring to external female genitalia as a vagina would cease. (Not that you said it was, Rigamarole, but the OP is using them interchangeably.) I don’t care if lots of people don’t know the difference anymore and thus this abominable misuse of the word is becoming more and more prevalent. This board is supposed to be about fighting ignorance and the fact is that a vagina is no more a pussy than a mouth is a face.
“Shut your face!”
The meanings and usages of words change over time; always have. I think the Battle of Vagina is pretty much lost here.
Gotta admit, that was unexpected, and from you of all people. Touche.
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- Why is a woman in her natural form less beautiful than a shaved, manicured form? /QUOTE]
What makes you think this is true? If you’re thinking of porn, remember that by shaving, a woman only has to dye the hair on her head.
There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Not all women ejaculate, but some of us do.
In related news, as I got the milk out of the refrigerator this morning, my girlfriend was reading the paper. There was something in there about the White House’s response to some correspondence from Paris and a bunch of ads for new wheels. She couldn’t read any more than that because a bulb burned out and everything went dark.
But anyway, you’re totally right, Starving Artist. Parts shouldn’t be used to refer to a whole, and a whole shouldn’t be used to refer to parts. I suppose in this case, people are using a “hole” to describe a “part”, eh?
I’m way too bored at work. This made me picture armies of vaginas on horseback, some of them holding colorful banners, all with shields and swords, like the big battle scenes in the Lord of the Ring movies.
Hundreds of years later, bored schoolchildren are forced to read about The Battle of Vagina in their history books.
She’s not, but the latter doesn’t leave hair in one’s teeth and generally smells better.
I’d be a bit ticked off. That’s it.
No. They vary by diet and fastidity.
No idea. No idea. No.
5. Does the consistency of a woman’s “climax” during orgasm ever drench a man’s penis similar to how the Japanese depict?
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Yes, though I’ve only noticed it during oral climax.
I have no problem with his sexual preferences. But if it was a personal preference he shouldn’t have used “should”. His examples to the contrary do not hold up, MandaJo’s counter example does. Don’t pretend we are making up a slight here.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but that’s pretty much it*. I don’t know whether he meant it and everything since then is just (copious) backpedaling/side-stepping or if he’s just really bad at analogies, but he says I’m reading meaning into his words that he didn’t intend and I have nothing to go on besides what he says, so whatever.
*I resent the implication that women (all women, not just his personal preference in women) have an obligation to modify their bodies in order to be visually pleasing to other people beyond good hygiene and wearing appropriate clothing. I think that’s bullshit and that obviously it is sexist that the same standard isn’t applied to men.
Thank you thank you thank you.
What is wrong with the word “vulva”? Nobody shaves their vagina; because no hair grows there.
Kids today.
Regards,
Shodan
- Why is a woman in her natural form less beautiful than a shaved, manicured form?
Question can’t be answered as written. Natural is more attractive. Head to toe, not just the pubic area.
- If your girlfriend/wife stopped shaving her armpit and vaginal area, would you be OK with that?
Yes. Wife has never shaved pubic area (thank god), and I wouldn’t mind if she stopped shaving the armpits as I find natural more attractive.
Would it ever been an issue that could potentially collapse a relationship?
Absolutely not.
3. In your experience, does the vagina have odors that are similar but distinct among ethnic groups? (e.g. Does a black vagina smell different from a white pussy and does that smell different from an asian pussy or indian vagina, etc etc)
My limited experiences haven’t been multi-ethnic.
- Does the vagina remain relatively taut post-pregnancy? Post-menopausal?
I think so.
Have you ever been able to just not reach climax due to vaginal looseness?
No.
- Does the consistency of a woman’s “climax” during orgasm ever drench a man’s penis similar to how the Japanese depict?
I don’t know how “the Japanese depict”, but from the sound of the question I’d say no.