He obviously hasn’t been around here too long, either, or he’d know that the it can get much more disgusting around here. 
Stuff like this…
…just isn’t posted by newbies. Whoever this guy is, he hit the ground running when he started up, familiar with everyone and everything. He called me Lib in his very first post to me, and seemed familiar with me in a spooky way that I wouldn’t expect from someone here less than a month. I reported three such incidences. I’m not saying anything in particular; maybe he lurked for like four years or something. There was a hand-stabber here at one time who was so ascerbic that even the board’s hard atheists disowned him, and I can’t remember his name. Although Askeptic sounds a lot like him, it is metaphysically possible that it is just a confluence of coincidences.
Wrong thread. Apologies.
So, Rabbi, do you mind telling me where and by who you were ordained?
Far be it for me to insult another culture, but perhaps you could clarify which culture considers this to be such a major insult.
I want to ascertain whether an entire culture believes this or if you’re really speaking only of your own situation.
Me, I have no culture.
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahaha!!!1111oneoneone
Face it, your cover has been blown. You come here, you call yourself a rabbi, you fulfill the “whiny Jew” stereotype many times over, you violate several Jewish laws concerning accusations and evidence gathering, and I’m supposed to believe that you’re not a Stormfronter in disguise?
Like I said, I’ve been wrong before, and my offer to apologise and pay for your membership here if I’m proven wrong still stands. In the meantime, go back to Stormfront. Your cover here is smashed in like a glass at a Jewish wedding.
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Far be it for me to insult another culture, but perhaps you could clarify which culture considers this to be such a major insult.
I want to ascertain whether an entire culture believes this or if you’re really speaking only of your own situation.
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So whether or not a Jew feels insulted by being a living namesake depends on his or her cultural background, not to mention how secular they may or may not be. But remember, there are many cultural mores about names and namesakes, and what is an honor in one part of the world is an insult or a puzzle in another.
So I respond to a thread that glamorizes Neo-nazism as “fascinating”, point out the obvious insanity of the racist world view as well as point out some of the anti-Semitic leanings on some of the posters, become subject to some sort of paranoid conspiracy theory (not a real Rabbi/Stormfronter-in-disguise, etc.) and now I am the subject of scorn, ridicule and verbal abuse in the form of a Rabbi who is tossed kicking and screaming into an incinerator?
That is not “funny”; that is sick.
Consider the contents of this web site reported to the ADL. Don’t be surprised if this site ends up [link broken] from many public computers in the not-too-distant future.
Go ahead and pay up. It does not in any way change my opinion of you as a very paranoid anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist with a very tasteless sense of “humor.”
Speaking as a (secular) Ashkenazi Jew, I would be very weirded out if a relative named a child after me while I was living. I’m not sure if I would be offended, I guess it would depend on the rest of the circumstances, but I would definitely be confused and concerned.
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Naziism/Hitlerism can be legitimately fascinating. I’m fascinated by how an Austrian corporal can go from pamphleteer to dictator of the most powerful nation in Europe in less than a quarter century. That’s a fascinating phenomenon, and I enjoy researching the politics of that era that made the rise to power possible. Although I despise Hitler and his ideology, it’s still fascinating from a historical standpoint.
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As far as Mel Gibson’s movie is concerned, I haven’t seen it so I can’t comment. As for who killed Jesus, that will be left as an exercise for the reader.
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You misdefined “psychosis” in the thread I pitted you for. Having insane ideas isn’t a sign of insanity in and of itself. It’s a sign of stupidity and bigotry, but does not meet the classical definition of psychosis. Others have explained that to you. I won’t rehash their statements.
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Stormfront is fascinating for the same reason why a train wreck is fascinating. Doesn’t make the SFers right, and it doesn’t make me agree with them, but I am still fascinated by their obsession with long discredited ideas.
Hotlinking to executable files ain’t good 'net manners, n00b. As for the PR aspects of this board, that’s left up to the admins. Their call, not mine, and I respect the fact that I can’t speak for them. You do know that the ADL != FBI, right, and that the only hatemonger here is you?
Want some crackers to go with that whine? :rolleyes: Throwing around the term “antisemitic” as you do only dilutes VALID claims of antisemitic hatred.
I’m done with this thread. Counter-pit me if you must, but I’m done here. I only have so many years of life, and I won’t waste them debating a hatemonger.
FOAD.
Rabbi Rosencratz, do not link to executable files again.
Spare us the histrionics, will you?
Firstly, to describe something as “fascinating” is not necessarily to glamorize it. As a historian, i find the whole issue of American slavery fascinating. Doesn’t mean i have any desire to reinstate the practice in American society. I find McCarthy’s anti-communist witch-hunts of the 1950s fascinating, but also repugnant. I find the current Bush administration’s obsession with marriage as being between a man and a woman fascinating, but i’m also a strong supporter of gay marriage rights.
One reason this board exists is so that people can address issues such as Stormfront in an open and honest way, and discuss such groups’ more interesting aspects, without being automotically labelled “racist” or “anti-semite.” Simply because people find the group worthy of discussion in no way implies support for the group’s ideals.
You also continuously uindermine your own position with strange logical segues. First, you tell us that racism and other manifestations of hatred are prima facie indicators of insanity or psychosis, and then you say that people who exhibit such behavior should be held responsible for their actions. Well, as tomndebb pointed out, it’s somewhat unreasonable to hold someone accountable for actions over which they have no control.
More importantly, it was also pointed out that, by dismissing racists as “insane” and “psychotic,” you actually end up trivializing the issue. The fact is that many virulent racists are intelligent people who live otherwise normal lives. And many others may not be so intelligent, but also are not insane or psychotic. For those of us who oppose such hatred, the challenge is to understand what makes people who are otherwise apparently quite normal feel such hatred towards particular groups based on race, ethnicity, religion, etc. Simply dismissing such people as psychotic suggests that nothing can be done about this hatred, and that they should not be blamed for feelings they can’t control. that, to my mind, is a profoundly defeatist attitude, and one that lets the hate-mongers off the hook far too easily.
You have also failed to demonstrate even a single instance of anti-Semitism among the posters in that thread. Most people spent so much energy refuting your tortuous logic that they had little time to address the actuall issue of anti-Semitism at all.
And, no, the fact that you are Jewish and they criticized you does not make them anti-Semites. Your Jewishness was not the reason for the criticism; it was your boneheadedness that was the problem.
I sincerely hope you’re just a troll.
Don’t you dare call me an anti-semite; I’m ten times the Jew you are, you jerk.
He’s not a real Rabbi and he’s most certainly not Jewish. He wants you to think that he is so he can make real Jews look silly. The guy’s a dimwit, don’t take his bait.
Haj
I find it “chilling” that anyone is taking this dip seriously.
You might be right. I was just trying to make the point that even if he is both Jewish and a Rabbi, his arguments are still silly and his accusations of anti-Semitism remain unsubstantiated.
Neither of the quotes you supplied says that one custom or the other considers the naming of the baby after a living person an insult. Your first quuote notes that the practice of naming the child after a living person is not forbidden, and then adds that Sephardi Jews do this. I can understand, of course, that some cultures will do one thing and others will do another, but I didn’t see anything in what you provided that said a particular culture or subculture would be grievously insulted if someone - whether in their own culture or not - named their newborn after a living person.
I’d definitely have the “confused and concerned” response, too. It would be like having one of your relatives suddenly throw you out of his or her house, lock the door behind you, and tell you to never come back. I’m not on such bad terms with anyone that I’d expect this kind of treatment. I’d feel sad and confused, and I’d wonder what I’d done–or what was going on–that a member of my own family did that to me.
David Irving was once a normal historian who found the spectacle of Nazism “fascinating.” It wasn’t long before the hypnotic lure of Holocaust denial/Nazi sympathy pulled him under its spell and warped his brain.
Now he’s a stark-raving mad lunatic who travels the country giving speeches about how there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz and – despite all the evidence to the contrary – how the Holocaust was a hoax. Because Irving fears being called out on account of his views by members of the general public, he must have his meetings in secret to avoid confrontation with those who would question his pretzel logic and hair-brained theories.
Do you have any clue as to the irony in your statement? You might as well have copied and pasted something off of Stormfront saying the reason why they exist is to openly discuss the so-called black crime ‘problem’, the so-called immigration ‘problem’ and the so-called Jewish ‘problem’ without being denounced (and rightfully so) as racists, nativists, anti-Semites and paranoid extremists.
Black crime, immigration, and Jewish “media control” are not problems. The problem is 25,000 people on message board making scapegoats out of often victimized segments of society who are sometimes unable to defend themselves.
You misread what I said, buddy. Where did I say that ALL people who are insane ought to be held accountable for their actions? I was very clear and very specific as to why I felt insane racists ought to be held accountable for their behavior and I care not to repeat it here.
This seems to be a reoccurring theme on this board. Are we hitting a little too close to home on this one?
Again, lets not bring this down to the personal level. Let us stick to the facts and avoid the ad hominem …