A bit of a moot point to dwell on that.
From the 2015 World Health Organization Best Practices for the Naming of New Human Infectious Disease that many are not reading, even though it was cited about 4 times already:
I tuned into the daily propaganda briefing again to day. Trump is trying to blame everything and everyone and take zero responsibility even as a war time president.
One paraphrase: “I would personally call former presidents right now to help if I thought it would save one life. But I don’t think it will do any good.”
“We” did agree to abandon the old naming practices. Or at least the US signed on. I guess Canada did as well but I can’t find a cite.
Again, n*gger, colored, negro ad nauseam were all perfectly fine words until some bleeding heart librul cried umbrage. :smack:
The Chinese community in the US are very worried about the xenophobia being perpetrated by the President of the US. Maybe not so much in Canada since Trudeau doesn’t spew that kind of racist vitrol.
You completely in Lalaland now with your denials, and I can’t be bothered too much with you but I 'll just show one more time how dishonest you are being.
You say “Lets for the purposes of debate assume the bolded is true (and I don’t think it is.)”, the bolded text reads " the reason why that happened was in response to Chinese state propaganda trying to deny the origin of the virus", you don’t think that is true even after I cited this:
Do you deny that? Trump didn’t say that? The disinformation by Chinese officials Trump speaks of is covered in multiple cites I’ve provided in this thread such as:
And I’ll add one more now: Chinese diplomat promotes conspiracy theory that US military brought coronavirus to Wuhan
Those things you say are not true, are true, they are part of a public record that anyone can see by themselves, just because you hate Trump doesn’t give you the right to your own facts and no matter how much you huff and puff what you are saying stands in stark opposition to actual reality.
Beyond a shadow of a doubt your claims are false and at every instance I have brought this to your attention you have doubled down in your denials of plain, verifiable facts.
“I’m certainly not arguing from ignorance”
That I’ll grant you, there’s more than just plain ignorance at play here.
You lost me there, no one has a good reason to believe that the reason he claims he did something was the real reason why he did it.
Not to mention that it does not deny that, once again, the dishonorable Chinese leaders do have a valid point regarding the specific naming issue at hand.
…Donald Trump has made over 15,000 false or misleading statements since being in office. I have no reason to believe he is telling the truth here. You do understand that Donald Trump, as well as being a racist, is also a serial liar?
Chinese diplomat conspiracy theories have nothing to do with my opinion on what Trump and his administration have said.
No matter how much you huff and you puff: it doesn’t change the fact that Donald Trump is as racist as fuck and he is using racist dogwhistles to rile up his base.
Beyond a shadow of a doubt I can assure you my opinion that Donald Trump is racist as fuck is an opinion I formed on my own based on publicly verifiable facts and wasn’t the result of CCP propaganda.
Uh, you must not realize that there was an “if” in what **Banquet Bear **said there, that even if true, and it is, then the following applies:
“You would agree that this is a pathetic, petty, ridiculous reason for Donald Trump to cross out “corona” with a sharpie and replace it with China, don’t you?”
Well it seems that indeed, Trump goes for the pathetic, petty, ridiculous reasons to unsettle others (the fact that China’s rulers are attempting to toss other conspiracies is once again not a good reason for the Cheeto in chief to fall for an own goal as experts pointed out in the cite you made:
Choosing who is worse between the Chinese government and Trump is like choosing who to root for in the (past) war between Iran and Iraq. Or deciding which imperialistic country “really” owns the Spratly Islands.
But in my part of the world, we’ve always felt a bit miffed that the “Barnsdale Ulcer” became the Buruli ulcer just because somebody in Buruli had described it 100 years earlier.
“Uh, you must not realize that there was an “if” in what **Banquet Bear said there, that even if true, ** and it is , then the following applies:”
This the actual quote from Banquet Bear.
You changed what Banquet Bear said on post 195 from “I don’t think it is” to “and it is”, which is exactly the opposite of what he said.
Congratulations, you reached rock bottom level.
I don’t even know what the debate is at this point. The rules for naming diseases were updated before the current crisis, and for sound reasons. Is anyone arguing that it’s a *good *thing that the whole Ebola region has been stigmatized?
Meanwhile if the argument is “We’ve named it, why change now?”, the name used most often by the man on the street is “coronavirus”. Which, scientifically, is of course ambiguous, but colloquially it’s fine because it’s the first time the masses have referred to something as coronavirus. So the people trying to change the name are in fact the ones saying it should become Wuhan virus or whatever.
In case anyone disputes this, these are the google hits for the various terms (and note I didn’t even use quote marks so things like Wuhan virus are artificially boosted here by some of the hits not even including the word Wuhan).
(billions of results)
Coronavirus: 20.70
Covid: 18.37
China virus: 3.29
Chinese virus: 3.15
Wuhan virus: 0.23
Answered in #134:
@ Mr. Stone — Do you acknowledge that Trump’s use of “Chinese virus” was deliberately intended to poke blame at China, and thereby deflect from his own incompetence?
With all the world now using the name “Covid-19”, what purpose does calling it “Chinese virus” serve?
Nope. I’m saying consistency is good. We all agree that ‘Flu’ isn’t racist. Therefore, if ‘Wuhan flu’ is racist, it must be because of the addition of the place name, which some people find unfairly stigmatising. If that’s the rule, fine. But then we should retire ‘Lyme Disease’ as a name. Because ‘Lyme’ is a place name, and according to the rule that means ‘Lyme Disease’ is racist.
On the other hand, if ‘Lyme Disease’ isn’t racist, then I can’t see why ‘Wuhan Flu’ is.
I would agree that the label ‘Chinese Virus’ is unfairly anti-Chinese. I wouldn’t necessarily call it racist because Chinese is a nationality, not a race. But that’s a bit of a pedantic distinction. The term is unacceptable in any event.
There’s a big difference between setting new standards for disease naming and insisting that everyone retroactively change a name that’s been used for decades already.
Firstly, even if it’s feasible to change the scientific name, the popular name is extremely hard to reverse, hence “coronavirus” is still common even as we have a more accurate name.
Secondly it would mean possible confusion, as stacks of data, documents and references contain the old name, and it’s not just for Lyme disease, it would be for dozens of the most common diseases. I don’t want to make discussion and research of pathogens more annoying by everyone needing to learn a new vocabulary.
I’m not seeing a downside here.
That’s a fair point. Objection withdrawn 
Here we’ve deviated from the discussion to make meta-comments about each others’ posts. I voluntarily tracked down this confusion. Here is the relevant text. [Material between brackets is my clarifications.]
Ale:
[INDENT] [1] The reason this thread exists in the first place is … Trump referring to the SARS 2 virus as the Chinese Virus and the subsequent pearl clutching that ensued;
[2] the reason why that happened was in response to
[2b] Chinese state propaganda trying to deny the origin of the virus, which you now say you where not aware of.
Banquet Bear:
[3a] Lets for the purposes of debate assume the bolded [2b] is true
[3b] (and I don’t think it is.)
[3c] You would [then] agree that this is a pathetic, petty, ridiculous reason for Donald Trump to cross out “corona” with a sharpie and replace it with China, don’t you?
Ale:
Provides substantial evidence for [2b]
GIGObuster (with emphasis by sgs7):
Uh, you must not realize that there was an [implicit] “if” in [3a-3b], that even if true, and it is, then [3c] applies[/INDENT]
Ignoring the validity of 2b and/or 3c, the latest accusation is that the “and it is” by Gigobuster is a misinterpretation of Mr. Bear’s post. Gigo’s post could and should have been written much more clearly but I interpreted the “and it is” as it was intended — an expression of Gigo’s opinion, not Mr. Bear’s.
The objection (“You changed what Banquet Bear said”) is over-ruled.
Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. (I’m not saying you have a small mind, I’m saying that consistency is not a worthy goal in and of itself.). And as you have been told, the convention of naming diseases has changed to address various concerns - you don’t expect scientific terminology to remain consistent over all time, do you?
Lyme disease was named in line with the convention at the time. Wuhan flu is NOT in line with current guidelines, and if you believe that various nationalists aren’t trying to change the actual name of the disease for racist and/or political purposes, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Jesus Christ, you agree that changing the name of COVID-19 to some things is unfair, but changing it to other things is fair? What happened to your search for consistency?
You got it, your honor.
What is sad is that Ale continues to miss that in several posts I do agree with him that the Chinese leadership are doing dishonorable things, and saying dishonarable things; but, regarding the naming of the virus thing, the Chinese have a point.
I think everyone is familiar with the what, the why is what people are arguing about.
Why not name it after a region?
Snowflakes?