Radiohead: Hail to the Thief

OK, so I’m currently in the midst of listening to this album for the first time. I’m not that far in, but so far I’m very excited. It seems like it’s got more of the cohesion we heard on OK Computer, but with more of the adventurous spirit and unflinching creativity/experimentation from Kid A and Amnesiac. I have to say that my favorite Radiohead is definitely Kid A/Amnesiac (I refuse to distinguish between the two. They’re the same sessions, same groove, I consider them part of the same product), but I have a great love for OK Computer.

2 +2 = 5 was the most attention-getting opening for an album since “Seven Nation Army” on the White Stripes’ phenomenal “Elephant”. I’ve been liking what I’ve heard overall, but I’ll get back to you with a more precise idea of how I feel about the whole thing later.

What have you guys thought about it?

LC

I think it’s great, the perfect mix of the OK Computer style with the Kid A style. I particularly like the last third of the record, I Will to the end: what a great sequence of music! Also the inexorable slow-burn-to-frenetic-jam of Sit Down Stand Up, and the ravishing Sail To The Moon. Yup, I like it.

A nifty thing about I Will as related to an earlier Radiohead tune:

The guitar track from I Will (which has existed unreleased for years) was reversed to become the backwards basic track of Like Spinning Plates from Amnesiac.

Heehee, is that really a spoiler? :wink:

As I said on the other Radiohead thread, I need some more listens, but I think it DOES finally bring the Kid A/Amnesiac experiment to a happy medium with the songcraft of their other albums. I was at the Field Day Festival on Saturday (they played half of the new album), and the uptempo songs on this one can ROCK live. I think that’s very significant.

Well, I wanted to give everybody a chance to figure it out for themselves first. :cool:

I’m very excited about hearing the new album. I’ve heard, too, that it was something of a mix of ‘the best from OK Computer’ and ‘the best from Kid A and Amnesiac’, which sounds mouth-watering to say the least. I’m really looking forward to hearing it.

Just to post from the end portion of listen #2, I AM finding a bunch of nicely hidden audio treats. The multiple voices on Myxomatosis, for example (they usually have one hard rock track per album, and that’s the one I usually get into first). Thom’s self-harmonizing, spot-on as always.
We Suck Young Blood and Sail to the Moon take my breath away on the slow side - though WSYB has a groovy uptempo section - but there’s a nice mix of pacing and NOT as much electronic stuff as you might think. There seem to be a couple of tracks with none of it at all. Strikes me, as the band has been saying, as a much looser album (in the good sense). It breathes some.

What’s the difference between the limited edition and the, uh, unlimited edition packaging?

Is the title of the album a reference to Bush’s election? Or something else?

I picked up the special limited edition CD yesterday. Inside is much larger map and lyrics to the songs (with alternate titles). Not sure if this is offered in the regular packaging. The only problem I have is the size of the packaging. It is a few inches longer than a regular cd case (same width) so it has limited storing capabilities with other CD cases.

FYI, according to GreenPlastic.com, only the US version is not copy protected. Other contries have reported trouble listening to the disc on older CD players and computers.

Oh yes. This album is an attempt to be overtly political like U2 used to be. It’s obvious at least Thom York is mad as hell.

Here’s my review:

http://www.memphisflyer.com/content/content.asp?articletype=11

My edition - I assume it’s the regular one - has a couple of pages of maps, in addition to the lyrics and all the titles.

Yes, but not 100% yes. There is a book about the electoral… uh, shall we call them “irregularities?” in Florida called Hail to the Thief, and it was a slogan I think I remember seeing on signs at the DC protest of Bush’s inauguration (my first trip to DC for a protest, actually).
But the band says there’s more to it than that. This quote - actually stupidly unattributed on the band’s website, but I think it’s from Thom - explains.

“The Gloaming” [the name of one track] was going to be the album title" (according to Colin, the rest of Radiohead vetoed the idea for “sounding too proggy”). [Good call, says I.]

“It’s the subtitle now. It refers to a general all-enveloping darkness that’s slowly taking over mankind: like some plague from the middle ages that seems to be on the horizon again. In the middle ages, everyone was obsessed by people who were “possessed”. The same thing is happening now. The same sense of a malignant force ripping apart civilisation. Then towards the end of the record I read a ‘Murakami’ book called “Wind-Up Bird Chronicles” and it all fell into place in my head. That’s what I was trying to say about the darkness that envelops people. They don’t know it’s happening to them and they think they’re doing the right thing but the rise of fascism and ignorance are what they’re really calling into play. And that to me is the real “thief”. The thief is someone who takes possession of one’s soul in order to inhabit their body. And with the few politicians I’ve encountered personally, I’ve always got the sense that there’s fuck-all going on behind their exteriors. If I met Blair, I wouldn’t say anything. I’d just sit and watch him. I’d sit and watch his mouth move and see the air flying around.”

Later on, Colin Greenwood says “People need to focus on bigger issues instead of whether George Bush is an idiot or not.”

Jonny Greenwood adds “We’d never name a record after one political event like Bush’s election. The record’s bigger than that. Hopefully it will last longer than Bush unless he’s getting a whole dynasty together, which is always possible. One of the things Thom’s singing about is whether or not you choose to deal with what’s happening. There are a lot of lines about escaping and avoiding issues, about keeping your head down and waiting. Everybody feels like that from time to time as much as they feel frustration about things they can’t change. It’s a confusing time right now but that doesn’t mean that we’re issuing any kind of manifesto. It’s more like we’re summing up what it’s like to be around in 2003.”

Thom adds: “We don’t have to stand on a soap-box and preach because hopefully we’re channelling it through the new record. We didn’t start out to make a protest record at all. That would have been too shallow. As usual, it was simply a case of absorbing what’s going on around us. The title of the record goes so much deeper than just being some anti-Bush propaganda.”

There are a number of lyrics (and the song title 2 + 2 = 5, borrowed from 1984) that would seem to refer not so much to the election, but to the American (and international) political situation - which wouldn’t be new to Radiohead; they’re quite politically active, and the song Electioneering from OK Computer is, in part, a dig at Tony Blair - but I agree with the guys when they say there’s more going on.

Revtim , I read somewhere that Thom said that the title is not aimed directly at Bush but more at the way politics today’s politics work in general. In my opinion, it is more about Bush than it is about anyone else and honestly, I hope that it is directed at him.

I am still waiting for my “limited edition” copy of HTTT to come in the mail but i have heard all of the songs and I would say that it is a combination of Amnesiac and OK Computer which i have no problem with since those are my two favorite albums by them.

Thom is certainly mad as hell, and he certainly loathes Bush intensely. (He says much of the album was inspired by driving out into the woods and listening to political noise on the radio, and that much of it was composed during the Afghan war. Perhaps we can say it’s about the general political situation as exemplified by Bush, or the moment that Bush most plainly represents, or something like that.)

I don’t think the overtly political thing is quite new - their music isn’t usually political, minus a track here and there (not as often as this record is) - but Radiohead has been heavily involved with Drop the Debt and the Free Tibet movement.
I think I rather like the comment in your review, vibrotronica, that the band is “attempting to dispatch their ironic detachment.” Bono’s lyrics are usually extroverted, Yorke’s introverted, if I may oversimplify. But in 2 + 2 = 5, Thom actively criticizes hiding from this situation: “Are you such a dreamer?/To put the world to rights?/I’ll stay home forever/Where two and two always make up five,” and later on “IT’S THE DEVIL’S WAY NOW/THERE IS NO WAY OUT/YOU CAN SCREAM AND YOU CAN SHOUT/IT IS TOO LATE NOW/BECAUSE/YOU HAVE NO BEEN PAYING ATTENTION.”
It’s written in all caps like that. I’d also add that this is the punkiest track I’ve ever heard from the band.

There’s still irony on the record, but Radiohead knows how and when to put that down for a moment - I remember hearing The Bends for the first time (it was only a few weeks ago), and at parts I was startled by Thom’s earnestness, lyrically and vocally - though you can find this in more recent albums.

I will depart from your review and say I quite like We suck Young Blood, though.

I love We Suck Young Blood. This whole CD is pretty darn good. Time will tell where it ranks in the Bends/OK/Kid A/Amnesiac pantheon of greatness, but I’ve really been enjoying it.

I have a question though. Is “2+2=5” not a single? I could have sworn it was, and I even bet a dollar on it. But apparently “There There” is the single. Did “2+2=5” get played on the radio or something? Or am I just making this up? A couple of my friends also thought it was the single.

When an album comes out, it may be normal for radio stations to play more than one track if it’s a band as well-known as Radiohead. But the first single is There there. It’s got a video, which you can see at http://capitolrecords.com/radiohead/player. It’s also used in the television ads for the album.

I have to bump this thread to say that “Sail to the Moon” is one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard. I haven’t even listened to the rest of the album because I can’t take this song off “repeat.”

My brother (super-fan) said he’d heard that Thom Yorke wrote “Sail to the Moon” for his son, and he can’t play it live because he gets too choked up. Aw!

He may get choked up - apparently, Thom does cry onstage from time to time - but they’re playing it live nearly every night. I think Thom’s aware it’s one of his best efforts. In fact, when we saw them at the “Field” “Day” “Festival,” they did played Sail to the Moon, Sit Down, Stand Up, Pyramid Song, and No Surprises consecutively. Doesn’t get much prettier than that.

Lucky dog!

You know…I think they’re playing in the DC area in August. Since there is a chance I could hear “Sail to the Moon” live, I might have to pursue tickets with more effort.

What’s wrong with bands being political?

Nothing at all! I’m all for it–I love U2, The Sex Pistols, Bob Dylan, The Minutemen and a bunch of other overtly political bands. My point (which I tried to make in my review) was that it’s been out of fashion in rock and roll for a decade or more and that Radiohead, along with folks like Sleater Kinney and Pearl Jam, are moving back in that direction in response to the world around them. But making music that is political and timeless is a dicey proposition, and the results from the above-named bands have been mixed so far. I for one sure hope they keep at it.