He already finished, and it wasn’t that great.
Look it up. I’ve apologized more than once on these boards. If you think that’s too much work to bettering yourself, just go look at the simple and straightforward apology tomndebb posted this morning in ATMB.
But don’t worry about making it proper. More important is that you just make it. Baby steps. The fact that doing so seems foreign to you is another good data point in your contribution to ignorance fighting.
Stop dancing. Just fucking apologize to him you imbecile. Although you’ve made it unlikely that it will feel sincere. Since it’s so hard for you to do and all.
I know this probably really isn’t about me anymore, but for what it’s worth as far as I’m concerned me and EE are cool 
Gosh, you seem mean. I’m starting to think that you may need to start taking your own advice on proper manners.
I’ll ask nicely again–link to one of your sincere apologies as an example to me, please. Pretty please?
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I know this probably really isn’t about me anymore, but for what it’s worth as far as I’m concerned me and EE are cool
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It was the oral sex, wasn’t it?
Regards,
Shodan
You’re full of shit. I gave you two avenues if you were seriously interested—knowing full well that you weren’t.
Yes, you were very gracious. But you’re right, it’s about the principle. I cannot fathom why people not only don’t apologize, but why they’re not eager to apologize after they mess up.
::shrug::
Sorry, Shodan sweetie. She laid the smackdown on you good.
Ramira is one of my favorite posters. I’ve always liked you too, but lately you’ve been kind of off the rails with the “lib’rul bias” thing.
She’s not at all hard to parse if you’ve ever read anything more linguistically sophisticated than a Harlequin romance.
Especially the third or fourth time she posts it.
Regards,
Shodan
You are a bit of an ass, aren’t you?
I forebear from calling you a complete and utter ass as you do not bring enough to the table to merit such regard.
IMHO as always. YMMV.
Ah voila now I understand why this person from August has an opinion about me.
It is the non-bigot who just happens to hate an entire religion. It is funny the persons who are not at all bigots but hate a group are always ready to admit The Good Jew, the Good Muslim or the Good black, who are just victims of the religion or the wider group culture… the consistency of this discourse is quite interesting…
It is easy enough to draw the conclusion, just we can take these phrases quoted as if they are a defense and see them with substitution to draw the clarity
For the phrases that could be said by a Speer or other person who did not at all hate all the Jews only the evils of a bad jewish ideology
Or another minority religion that often has been hated.
Obviously not prejudiced at all, it is just feeling pity for the poor muslims victims of themselves.
but I can say this. It is this type of discourse that has made me very much more sympathetic for the idea of the national refuge idea chez alessan.
I am sure, like your algorithm repetition of over the decade on how unfair the discourse is on your poor oppressed in the sdmb political tendency. And your evasion of using any specifics on any argument in place of the repetition of the generalities about ISTM or impression or other of the minor variation in the standard algorithm of response.
Of course you can show I am wrong about the lack of the ability to understand or to process outside of the narrow robotic of the tribal ideologue by showing where the arguments have run out in the science discussion…
mais voila it is not likely the programming can change from the repitition of the template of exhausted one liners and non specifics intended to provoke those you think not part of your ideological tribe.
You’re right, people should be more like you, who apologizes so much the board is littered with your apologies so that you can’t help to stumble over them. How nice of you not to rub my face in your superior apologizing skills by not actually linking to any of them; you are truly a master of etiquette.
Indeed. “I don’t hate black people, I just hate their backwards, savage culture which is poisoning Western civilization”. “I don’t hate Muslims, I just hate their backwards, savage religion which is poisoning Western civilization.”
Totally not bigoted at all, nope.
You really are thick, aren’t you? As it happens, I do think you can criticise Judaism as a belief system without criticising Jews themselves. Same for Mormonism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Sikhism, Communism, Capitalism, Nihilism, Existentialism, and any other ‘ism’ you can think of.
I can criticise Judaism all the live long day, if you want. For instance, I think that the Pentateuch is deeply misogynistic, profoundly homophobic, and that the proscriptions detailed in Leviticus are ridiculous and their punishments unremittingly barbaric. I think the idea of a “chosen people” is a harmful one, and that Yahweh, as he is portrayed in the Old Testament, is a thoroughly nasty piece of work. What has this got to do with the world’s 15 million Jews? Fuck all, as far as I can tell. They may disagree with me to varying degrees, but I’m not saying that they are bad people. For one thing, a great many Jews either rationalise away or just flat-out ignore the worst parts of their scriptures. For another, even when it comes to those Jews who both ascribe to the bad ideas in their scripture and behave badly as a result, the worst thing I can say about them is that they are labouring under the influence of bad ideas. My criticism remains isolated to the ideas themselves, not to them.
This is the same way I approach Islam. Islamic scripture, however you parse it, contains some objectively bad ideas, such as martyrdom[sup]1[/sup], Jihad[sup]2[/sup], and an overt hostility toward unbelievers. Even if none of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims actually held those ideas, that wouldn’t change the validity of my criticism. Unfortunately, the number of Muslims who do hold these ideas is, to put it as kindly as I can, far from negligible, which makes my criticism all the more relevant. To criticise those bad ideas is not the same as criticising all Muslims. It isn’t even the same as criticising those Muslims who actually hold those bad ideas.
To get an idea of how misguided you are, imagine you and I were having a conversation about Communism at the height of the Cold War. I get the feeling it would go something like this:
Me: Communism, as an economic and political philosophy, is deeply misguided and contains a lot of bad ideas. The extent to which a person adheres to these bad ideas is a good indicator of the likelihood that he or she will behave badly.
Ramira: How dare you attack all Russians! You’re a bigot. A bigoted, bigoty, bigot. Most Russians are very nice people.
Me: I didn’t say anything about Russians. I’m talking about Communism.
Ramira: Did you know there are over a billion Chinese people in the world? They don’t all fit neatly into your bigoted little bigot box you bigoted bigot!! You are the most ignorant bigot in bigotsville. And what about America? Capitalism hurts people too!
Me: Okay, you need to unfuck yourself immediately. I’m talking about Communism as a belief system, not communists.
Ramira: Why do you hate Cubans?
I hope you don’t mind, but I’ve taken the liberty of giving you a basic grasp of English grammar.
The fact that you can’t differentiate between criticism of certain ideas advanced in a religious text and personal attacks on that religion’s followers is not my problem. It merely serves as yet another indication that you’re not worth talking to.
[sup]1 - I’m well aware that in Islam there are numerous ways in which one can become a martyr, including dying of plague, drowning, or dying in a fire. That doesn’t change the fact that one of the ways in which one can become a martyr is dying “in defence of Islam” a phrase which, given the tangled history between Islam and the West, can be used to justify almost any act of aggression.
2 - Here I am referring to Outer Jihad as a tactic of offensive warfare.[/sup]
So you would agree, then, that criticising, say, Communism, is the same as criticising all communists?
If it was “criticism” of the sort you were making about Islam.
Care to give me an example from the thread you cited earlier?
No, I am generally told I am thin and have a good shape even now in this middle age.
otherwise, I am very happy to let your self selected phrases speak for themselves for revealing what they are in the thinking and in the content.
the elaborate après justification and assertions, I can find them in the history archives as well.
disdain,
ramira
Tithonus got in ahead of me, so I will have to content myself with emphasizing what he posted.
You claimed
He has already posted that he is not condemning all of Islam. A person of normal intelligence would have noticed that, and a person of any integrity would have acknowledged it.
Regards,
Shodan