Rand Paul And Fauci

You have to explain it because by a clear reading the actual words you wrote, it sounds identical to what a conspiracy theory advocate might say.

Again to all: I never said Fauci was guilty of anything. I said I am agnostic because I haven’t followed this closely and I am not a doctor. My gut reaction watching them interact was that Paul was demagoguing and it looked like Fauci was being a little evasive. That’s it. But now I’m once again a crazy QAnon believer.

Here are a few other situations I can imagine (don’t know if they are real or not) that would involve 100% ethical efforts at gain of function research.

  1. I want to manufacture a vaccine, so I take my inactivated pathogen virus, and add in the ability to infect chicken eggs. That way I can manufacture it in scale in eggs rather than requiring huge amount of human plasma

  2. I have a bacteria that is resistant to antibiotics, I want to find out why, so I transfer some of its code to another less lethal bacteria to see if it makes it also resistant. If I find that it does, then I experiment with that (since it is safer than the original bad bacteria) in order to find additional antibiotics that might work against it.

  3. I have a genetic therapy that I want to develop, I explore ways in which to design a virus that will best infect cells (in order to alter them in a way that corrects the genetic defect) and avoid generating an immune response.

To be fair, you used words like “suspicious” to describe your response to his “lawyerly, tightly parsed responses,” and speculated on how Fauci would commit specific criminal acts if he wanted to. That goes a bit beyond “agnostic,” in my eyes.

I’m agnostic on whether you’ve ever committed any crimes, as, I suspect, you are of me. But if I say I’m suspicious of you based on your words and speculate on specific crimes that you might have committed, it’d be peculiar for me to describe that as agnostic.

Seems like this is pertinent to the thread:

He’s supposed to know who and what he is funding as in the buck literally stops at his desk.

Also, why in the hell would the US give funds to a government that is actively adversarial to it and is rounding up it’s own people in concentration camps.

He’s also not supposed to lie about things like masks because he thinks he as a good reason to. That puts the blame on delays wearing masks on him.

The way that I would think about it would be you’ve got a team of thieves who want to rob a bank vault. But, to be able to do that, they need to have 1) a bag, 2) a getaway car, 3) sledgehammers, and 4) a thermal lance. At the moment, they have none of those things - not a single one.

If you start swapping out various hammer-like objects with the bandits, maybe they’ll end up getting a sledgehammer or even something better at some point. You’ve certainly made them more capable of breaking into the bank vault than if you hadn’t played around, giving them hammer-like objects. But, they’re still missing the other three things that they need before you really need to care about that. You’ve made them more capable but not capable. They can’t rob a bank with just a sledgehammer and they’re still far off from it even with what you’ve given them.

The NIH panel who oversees these things, as I understand it considers “gain of function” to mean creating things that could be dangerous, not just creating things that are closer to being dangerous but still harmless.

Are you serious???
Fauci lies about masks? Heh?
Cite, if you’d please.

I wanna buy his neighbor a beer.

He’s probably referring to BS like this. Dr. Fauci did advise people to not hoard masks and quarantine and social distance instead, as there weren’t even enough for health care workers at the beginning of the pandemic. And this was also before we knew how covid spread or that widespread asymptomatic cases existed. Trumpists/Conservatives/Republicans have been marching this out of context statement for a very long time.

Oh, that’s really something. (Utter sarcasm follows) No wonder nobody took the virus seriously! It’s not like the so-called President spent every waking minute downplaying the seriousness of the threat, or outright mocking the wearing of masks. I see it’s Dr. Fauci’s fault that people weren’t wearing masks.(Sarcasm ends)
What a disingenuous load of horseshit.

I was just coming in to say the exact same thing. I’m just quoting it so that people can see it more than once.

Did anything come of this? My interpretation is not “Sen. Paul means business”, as the article asserts, but rather that he is continuing to engage in ridiculous theatrics.

I assume the DOJ took proper action on his request.

It’s not bullshit. It’s a fact.

Fauci wrote: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.

“The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you.”

You know, Fauci and those fascists on the left need to just go away. If you say something you need to stick with it regardless of new information you learn, or if new variants behave differently. If you don’t stick with it you’re a liar and nobody can trust you.


(For the record, the statement from Fauci was from an email February 5, 2020. Info was scarce then. Within a couple of months, after gathering more data, having more studies, and so on the recommendations changed. Of course people who just want to play gotcha ignore all of that.)

Why are you misrepresenting what happened? The people paying attention at the time know exactly what happened and it was exactly as @Jihi stated.

  1. Early March, Fauci states that people don’t need cheap drug store masks as they have limited protection AND N95’s are needed for healthcare workers. Only symptomatic people need to wear masks.

  2. Asymptomatic and presymptomatic cases prompt both Fauci and the CDC to suggest wearing masks as source control. This is called evolving advice based on evolving science.

  3. Later both Fauci and the CDC suggest double-masking to protect the wearer when more contagious variants arise.

I’m somewhat surprised that you were unaware of this considering you are bothering to reply in these threads as though you have an interest. These things were all over the news.

We knew from day one it affected the lungs. Fauci knew this and would go on to say later on that masks are a good idea. He even explained his earlier remarks.

So, why weren’t we told to wear masks in the beginning?

“Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply. And we wanted to make sure that the people namely, the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected.”

So he’s admitting he lied to protect the supply of masks. Had he been truthful he would have told Americans of the benefits of masks early in the pandemic. We could have stepped up and made masks earlier than was done.

(bolding mine)

Maybe Magiver is forgetting the typical masks available in drugstores back then. There weren’t surgical or N-95’s to be found. The ones my lab ordered on March 3rd as soon as we realized there would be shortages were on backorder for months.

True. Even today the guidance is to use a good, multi-layer mask, and not just toss on a bandana or gaiter. Where I work in state government we have mask mandates and we are supposed to wear real masks, not a thin single-layer napkin on our faces.