Rand Paul And Fauci

True. Even today the guidance is to use a good, multi-layer mask, and not just toss on a bandana or gaiter. Where I work in state government we have mask mandates and we are supposed to wear real masks, not a thin single-layer napkin on our faces.

And yet the recommendation to wear a mask changes later on. And I quoted Fauci himself as to why he did it.

Imagine what would have occurred if the advise was to wear a mask early on. Either it’s health guidelines theater or it saves lives and would have helped to reduce the spread when it first started…

Yeah, yeah, I got it. Your hangup here is to label Fauci as a liar. Cool. You’re a Trump supporter, no? Do you have a real big issue with people who lie?

Imagine what would have occurred if the so-called President hadn’t labelled the fucking thing a hoax.

It’s not a hangup. it’s a FACT that he lied about masks. There were threads on this board on the use of masks. People were denigrated early on for suggesting they would save lives.

here’s an example:

You can be convinced that Dr. Fauci lied about masks, but you’re not convincing anyone else.
Dr Fauci has been, this whole time, trying to save lives. Nice enemy you have there.

What is your opinion of Rand Paul?

I cited his own words on why he did it. It’s not up for debate. He admits doing it. His failure in this regard has likely killed a lot of people.

I’m not sure why you’re defending him.

OK.
(Now 5 characters. Fuck you, Discourse. I mean, you’re still better than the old site, that used to crash all the time, but fuck you with this 5 character bullshit.)

I know, right? If we had psychic powers and could predict the future we could have prevented this from happening in the first place!

Are you writing a screenplay? I’m intrigued.

At this point we know that listening to Ron Paul and his ilk costs hundreds of thousands of lives. And Magiver was pushing for us to open shit up on May of 2020 because we’d basically reached the point where the damage was done and we could move on. Hell, we had the hospitalization issues under control already at that point, right?

Listening to Fauci would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, EVEN IF you listened to him in February of 2020. By April, everyone including the CDC was recommending mask usage. If everyone had listened to him about masks and social distancing and listened again when he said to get vaccinated, we’d be much closer to the dream world that Magiver claims we were in a year and a half ago.

Glad we have that settled.

since the explanation Fauci gave for not promoting masks early on had nothing to do with psychic powers I’m not sure what your point is?

Wearing masks would have saved more.

Who was the spokesperson in charge of public information?

Because Fauci’s advice in February 2020 was made without the knowledge we had later on. He’d only have that information with psychic powers. For him to be lying, he would have had to have foreknowledge of things he couldn’t know yet.

Let’s say I saw you put a $20 bill in your pocket. You then asked me if you had $100 in your pocket. I said, no, you have $20. You then reached into your other pocket and said, “Nope here’s a $100 bill!” I was wrong but I wasn’t a liar. I gave you a suggestion based on the only knowledge I had. Now, if I had psychic powers (or X-ray vision) then I could have known you had a $100 bill. But I can’t lie about something I don’t know.

Nobody knew. Covid is an unprecedented pandemic. We have studies and data now we didn’t a month after it was discovered. Fauci and the CDC changed advice when they had better information. That doesn’t make them dishonest. Your accusations here are baseless and laughable. Their only value is the humor they provide. (They’re pretty good for that though.)

If I want to save people and the below two are what I have to choose from, I’m choosing #2, every single fucking time. I like it when people don’t die for no fucking good reason and that scenario would have resulted in hundreds of thousands fewer deaths.

  1. People who don’t mind masking start masking in January of 2020 and continue to mask when they feel like it and get themselves vaccinated if they decide that that might be better than a horse wormer or if they think their immune systems are too weak to stand up to this hoaxy flu thingy that people are claiming is going around.

  2. No one in the US wears a mask at all until April 3rd of 2020, but on that date they all start wearing masks and distancing as well as get vaccinated as soon as they are eligible and the entire government helps push the message of the seriousness of this virus.

What you’ve quoted is…incomplete.

“During a virtual event with the Washington Post in July, Fauci said that, in addition to wanting to preserve face masks for those most in need, health officials truly did not realize the degree to which infected people without symptoms were spreading the virus.”

“I mean, back then, the critical issue was to save the masks for the people who really needed them because it was felt that there was a shortage of masks,” he said. “Also, we didn’t realize at all the extent of asymptomatic spread and that a person who could be without symptoms at all could inadvertently and innocently spread it to someone who was uninfected.”

“Fauci added: “But what happened is that as the weeks and months came by, two things became clear: one, that there wasn’t a shortage of masks. We had plenty of masks and covering that you could put on that, plain cloth covering. That took care of that problem. Secondly, we fully realized that there were a lot of people who were asymptomatic who were spreading infection.”

Despite the “FAUCI LIED” meme (which seemingly will not die, no matter how contradicted by reality), the most you can accuse Fauci (and other health experts) of is stressing the limitations of mask-wearing based on knowledge at the time (not foreseeing the extent to which masks would limit transmission of Covid-19 by asymptomatic people), largely due to fears that a run on surgical masks would deprive health care workers on the front lines of protection.

On the other hand, the degree to which Rand Paul has spewed misinformation about Covid-19 makes it difficult not to use the word “lie”.

Good science (and health recommendations stemming from it) evolve.

The only way that cranks evolve is to grab onto new forms of crankery and deception.

So the other nations that started wearing masks immediately to fight against a respiratory illness were psychic? I’m not sure why the song and dance over this considering I already cited Fauci admitting why he waited to do this.

I still don’t see what the supposed lie was. He said that masks were for the infected, to prevent them from infecting others, and that masks weren’t very good at protecting the wearer. That’s… true. In your world, do people lie by saying things that are true?

Those are countries who were hit hard by SARS and Swine Flu, in ways the US wasn’t. They already had a culture of wearing masks in public. They were doing it years before Covid. That’s not psychic powers, that’s a coincidence.

You selectively quoted him. You’re ignoring what you don’t want to hear. Jackmannii cited where Fauci admitted that they were operating under false assumptions. And he didn’t lie about wanting to preserve masks. It was well-known that masks were supposed to be saved for the very vulnerable and front line workers. It’s not the conspiracy you’re trying to pretend it is. Look at this article:

The date on that article was February 7, 2020. Fauci’s message about not buying masks was on February 5. They thought back then that masks weren’t important for everyone to wear, that it was better to save them for those who needed it more.

They were wrong. Because, as I said, they didn’t have the info yet. They didn’t know it was spreading asymptomatically. They didn’t realize that 20-year-old Joe might shake 19-year-old Jill’s hand, with neither having any symptoms at all, yet Jill had Covid and infected Joe, and then Joe goes home to his 60-year-old uncle Bill who catches it and dies. With that foreknowledge they might have made a concerted effort to produce masks (though Trump would probably have dragged his feet as he did on most everything else related to fighting the pandemic, except eventually vaccine development). They might have advised people to make their own from the very start if there was a shortage, as they advised later once they realized the importance. But this whole conspiracy BS is just that. You’re distorting history and trying to demonize people who you disagree with. It doesn’t work.