OK. I apologize. I’ll let it go.
I just see the faulty reasoning and I want to help make corrections to that.
I don’t even particularly think Meeko is Scum. I think he just gets overly defensive when questioned or suspected. A part of me is hopeful that one more post will help him to see where his reasoning is going astray.
You’d think I would have learned my lesson in that regard.
sigh
PS, no I really don’t get tired 
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Well, we agree there, then. Looks like I didnt need to restate it. Anyway I have to go now. Look back to my Freudian Vote post on her for more on my case. **
I really don’t like this post. You seem very sensitive about your vote to kill NAF, who was town and is now dead. Like Rysto said, by “one of the misspelled brotherhood,” you obviously must mean Meeko. Why phrase it the way you did instead of just saying so? Who is the rest of the brotherhood?
Apart from the personal benefit that you’d receive if we all interpreted the nightkill that way, I think it’s a huge stretch to jump right to that explanation (or any explanation in particular, really). Is that really the first thing that jumped to mind – not that maybe NAF was on the right track at some point, but that somebody who tried to kill NAF, i.e. you, was actually on the right track?
It’s a bold effort, and to be honest I’m having trouble imagining the scum coming out of the gate with such a ham-handed manipulation, but that suggestion isn’t the most pro-town I’ve ever seen.
It certainly looks like #5 is happening whether that was the scum intention or not.
Tex, what do you think of my theory [as was seen in my vote on Freudian] that Fruedian could be playing Kelly against Meeko for Town Credit. – Or that Freudian and Kelly are both scum, and Freudian fully intends to bus Kelly if it means getting Meeko Lynched, to gain Freudian enough town credit to pass as town?
Checking in and reviewing…
Re: the Drain/Zeriel thing, I’ll accept Drain’s argument in the overnight thread that she wasn’t sure if there was a second person who cited peeker’s “joke vote” elsewhere. There have been a lot of posts in the thread & I’m not going to expect everyone to quote chapter & verse for every FoS (as opposed to a vote, where I’d at least like to have a clear idea what they’re on about).
Speaking of which, I really don’t understand MHaye’s vote on Chronos. You’re saying that (1) voting someone on a misspelling is weak, and only a foolish person would make such a vote; but Chronos didn’t make that vote: he voted One for making a weak vote. I realize you were fighting the clock at the time you wrote your vote post; could you please elucidate?
On the subject of Chronos, having looked back over the peeker kerfuffle, I don’t think he stood out from the other people who were riding him (incl. Meeko, Freudian, and Ed, with others sticking their oars in as well). On the other element of story’s revote, I have to admit that it didn’t occur to me that a license to the doctor to lie would also give scum carte blanche - heck, I endorsed the idea some place back before the name claim started.
Anyway, not seeing a Chronos lynch at the moment.
Kelly: I’m going to wait and hear what he has to say.
Meeko/Freudian: This is a tough one for me; two players, both of whom tend to be vote magnets. I agree with Rysto that it looks pretty bad that Freudian went from helping to lynch peeker to going after the other high-controversy (and high volume) poster in the thread. Her vote on peeker was very me-too-ish, as well, riding along with Chronos’ analysis.
On the other hand, Meeko. This is tough, as, to be honest, I don’t tend to read Meeko’s posts all that closely, especially when he gets into a, uh, “extended debate” with someone (and that someone is often ed). But, well, he voted peeker explicitly for playstyle reasons, and came out of the blue to defend Kelly. I helped to lose Colorless Mafia for town by talking myself out of a vote for Meeko; I’m going to keep an eye in this direction.
That said, I’m going to continue with my suspicion from yesterday; TexCat’s vote on peeker came after peeker had clarified himself, and still looks opportunistic to me.
vote TexCat
The who the what now?
Is there a reason you’re referring to yourself in the third person? Is Meeko’s real identity Bob Dole?
The overnight portion of the thread, I’d imagine, since I made my explanation after Nightfall.
Still, it’s an interesting turn of phrase. In the last game, a Scum Rysto referred to a NK power as a “lynch,” and these sorts of Freudian (Sigmund, not Slit) mistakes are the type of slips I think are more often scummy than not.
Yes, the overnight portion of the thread.
I think it’s unlikely that they are both scum and that Freudian is bussing Kelly to lynch you and get town cred.
To avoid ambiguous language.
Meeko has always been like Bob Dole.
Freudian, I worry about you though. You have played in games where I talk in thrid person before, but this is the first game where you take issue with it.
Why the Uncharacteristic change for this game?
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Smudge, Insult, or Baiting.** Take your pick, you are doing at least one of them. And I really don’t get why.
… Unless I was on to you.
I can’t remember if you did it before. I vaguely remember someone doing it, but wasn’t aware it was you. It just struck me as really bizarre.
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Apart from the personal benefit that you’d receive if we all interpreted the nightkill that way, I think it’s a huge stretch to jump right to that explanation (or any explanation in particular, really). Is that really the first thing that jumped to mind – not that maybe NAF was on the right track at some point, but that somebody who tried to kill NAF, i.e. you, was actually on the right track?
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To be honest, I didn’t remember who else all was mis spelled, and I didn’t have time to go find out, hence my use of the term. “Brotherhood”. I obviously wasn’t on the right track with Naf as that looked like a town reveal. That said the choice of NAF for death on night one is interesting, and the killer(s) had to have some reasons for chooing NAF.
I won’t. Vote Drain Bead.
You’re next, Mr. “Overnight Thread”, unless someone else jumps the queue.
:rolleyes:
So the fact that:
a) Drain did, in fact, give the explanation Tom mentioned overnight in this thread
b) If she were scum, it would make no sense for Drain to be discussing this in private with the scum
c) The off-board games all have separate Day and Night threads, so it would be entirely reasonable for a player used to that to make the mistake
means nothing to you?
Interesting choice for a Night kill, one thought that hasn’t been brought up is that maybe the scum’s roles are tied to their names so that took a shot looking at a religious person being our doctor. I don’t like Jimmy’s comments on OAOW’s discussion of NAF’s death though
I didn’t read OAOW’s post as trying to divert attention as much as trying to look for answers which was my first response to seeing who was killed. It also looks like Jimmy is trying to build a case but not putting a vote behind it. Since I managed to not vote yesterDay I’m going to put out an early vote based on Jimmy’s misinterpretation of OAOW and saying that there was a benefit to that misinterpretation of giving OAOW townie cred. Tacking on a sentence at the end to make it seem like you’re not attributing OAOW’s actions to being scum bothers me too.
** Vote Jimmy**
I think the FS/Meeko debate is a lot of smoke. I’m not saying its scum driven but I think it’s a distraction.
Meeko says “Meeko would like to take this time to assure you that Meeko has nearly always referred to ‘Meeko’ as Meeko at least once in every game **Meeko **has played, or if you will, the grand sum of all games Meeko has played in, that had posts written by Meeko”
Meeko thinks that was a tad overboard, but Meeko hopes that you get Meeko’s point.
No. But seriously, there are times where I just find it easier to refer to myself in the third person. I think way too many people refer to themselves in the first person, when the third person is actually better. I do think it avoids confusion. Over here. " I " can point to the teeming thousands. Over here, “Meeko” can refer to me, or a Walt Disney Raccoon.
So a comment on the “slip” thing. I’ve been around this particular block with both Zeriel (Lost) and Drain (Screamers) in the past, and since it’s not an argument that has a thing to do with logic or decision-making, it’s not something that can be argued about, so I’m not going to argue about it.
(That it can’t be argued with doesn’t make it an invalid technique for finding scum, though I haven’t found it terribly useful in my experience.)
Well, since all I have to do to see who’s posting is glance over at the username above, it’s not too difficult for me to parse “I.”
Anyway, I’m also leaning towards One and Only Wanderers, as others have also, due to this:
This is a pretty huge reach. I mean, I think the whole misspellings are a null tell at this point. Yeah, one of the other misspelled people could be scum. But they just easily could be town. And the fact that you keep harping on the misspelling is odd to me.