Don’t you mean to say “If TexCat claims to be a Mason but isn’t one, then I would encourage a real mason to counterclaim.”? If not, it would appear that you would be asking for any hypothetical Masons that may exist other than Texcat or I to claim regardless of whether or not we’re lying.
Yes, that’s what I meant.
If TexCat claims to be a Mason, then I encourage a real mason to counterclaim.
If TexCat is telling the truth, a real mason would not need to counterclaim.
But the way you said it is more clear.
How am I backpedaling, Meeko?
This is a sort of false statement, false in that it is not what I believe the majority of players see as fishing. Fishing is a subtle/discreet/coercive attempt to elicit secret information either without the person being fished realize it or without coming right out and asking for it. Coming right out and asking for it is just asking for the information. From what I’ve read so far, neither you (meeko) nor Rysto has fished wrt Cookies. You wanted external verification, so you asked for it. Rysto wanted to know information from the PM so he asked for it.
By directly and openly asking for it, you are providing the person you are asking a choice whether or not to reveal the information since your request contains no subterfuge (that I can discern anyways).
Who said you were backpeddaling? Mine was to Ed’s.
And that makes it less of an offense than fishing?
I still see it as fishing.
If you fish something, but do it wrong, a “bad fish”, then you can ahem, sniff it out.
If you can sniff a “bad fish” out, it would look no different than a direct and open inquiry.
I’m not so sure you can split hairs on a fish. Both attempt to get information. You just seemed to give scum, or scum mates approval here.
Meeko seems to think I’ve backpedalled between these 2 comments I made:
Anyway, I’ll wait for TexCat to chime in on Cookie’s claim. I’m sure things will be much more clear after that.
Some people fish with worms, some fish with nets, some fish with dynamite.
I don’t know what to tell you Meeko. Sorry that my choice of play seems to have thrown you for a loop and made you apparently paranoid. Since I made my claim, you are seeing dark and sinister things in the posts of everyone who has posted since I claimed. I may have done something unexpected, but that was on purpose. I’m trying to shake things up a bit and leverage some extra information that the Town at large did not have previously, and with the string of Townie deaths we have in this game, doing things a bit differently will hopefully have better results that what we’ve been trying so far.
I just feel most of the time, that you guys play differently when you play against me. Like Im a charity case.
It’s getting old.
That first statement pings me hard, Meeko. Please explain what you mean here.
The second statement, would you care to explain how it you see it working out to cement a scum victory?
I guess you have a point there. What it is I don’t know. But I assume you are trying to say something profound. So please spell it out for me, because it’s just not sinking in.
2b. It would be all too easy to move against me with this assumed townlieness, coming on strong, all of a sudden.
3c. From where I sit wouldn’t be such a bad move to cement a scum victory.
Cookies claims to be Mason, then uses it as a 16 ton weight over my vote on TexCat. This tactic seems way to spontaneous, way to manufactured to attempt an easy vote on me.
There is town cred to be had out there, Cookies believes she found it. Better yet, let’s claim TexCat while we are at it, and then begin to take Meeko out.
Just seems to easy and too simple for scum not to take a chance there.
If Scum can “”“Coinfirm”" two scum as masons, it would go VERY far into giving them victory.
My vantage is Town, in a game where Town is sucking worse than the previous game. If Scum can seize this opportunity of incredible bad town play it would obviously help their chances.
Combine a less than optimal Town team, and a chance to ““confirm”” two scum as masons, and I think it’s a slam dunk case for scum to win this one.
So says a townie who is sick with the status quo of Mafia games, of late.
Despite the fact that you happen to be in my short list Meeko, I really hope you can look at my claim as if you hadn’t been referenced in it at all. Try to look at it objectively as well as subjectively. All you seem to be bringing so far is the subjective argument. How my play impacts you specifically. This, I believe, is an example of when people criticize you for being to self-centered in your game play. It is resulting in a blind spot for you. I try to play around this as much as I can, which may be accounting for some of the feeling you get about other players. I firmly believe, however, that we are just trying to adapt to your play style, not treat you like a charity case.
Except that would represent a huge risk for scum. Pushing the limelight onto two of their players to attempt to force a lynch of a single player. If they are scum, and there is actually a masonry in this game, they would have just given up two free lynches. So I don’t see it as an easy or simple play.
Well at least I can see the point you are trying to make, although I disagree with it. If Cookies and TexCat are masons, they will not be confirmed as such until one of the following things happens:
- Another person says that they are a mason, and says that cookies and texcat are also masons, then dies and the role reveal indicates this person is town.
2.TexCat comes in affirms that she is a mason and that Cookies is also a mason, then one of them dies and is revealed to be town.
Until that happens, neither of them is confirmed. They will be slightly more trusted due to their claims, but by no means confirmed.
I do not understand how anybody can play beyond themselves. Indeed, you have to play for your team, something that, by definition, you are apart of.
**I can’t expect to know who else is Town.
I know that I am (town).
The best way to help town, is to help me.
**
Or would town rather I take a wild guess and help someone else, that has whatever odds of being non-town?
How can Town win if not being self-centered ? Rarely Masons can talk, but apparently that is rare, and rarer than I thought. Beyond that, there are games where one is not a mason, and in most games, the odds are, you will be Town, and will not be mason.
Why abandon the only certainty you have?
Correction: Not all of your arguments are subjective. You should be skeptical. But it will have an anti-town effect if you dismiss everything I say and/or only come to negative conclusions about what I have said or done.
Scum is taking a chance, sure.
However, their odds would be better in a game where town is not playing their A Game.
However, their odds would be better in a game where town is less populated than normal.
These two go hand in hand, and I think we have both currently.
You guys ever play Solitaire, and you hit that one moment, that one shining moment when you know you have won?
Yeah, but you still have to move the rest of the cards around.
If scum can confirm themselves as masons, everything after is just card moving.
NETA: Less Populated than Normal == I just mean in terms of a true ““Town”” population. Normal would be at game start.
If Town has less townies than it once had, Scum becomes freer to do more things.
Sorry, I was a bit flip and silly.
What I meant is that, to me, fishing comes in a variety of fashions.
One can try to be subtle and get information without the other person even figuring out they are giving out information. (Honestly, this is difficult to catch and I’m not sure how successful it is, since people aren’t going to won up to it if it works.)
One can be less subtle and make a statement and see who responds, trying to catch anyone (This often happens when the power roles have differing PMs than the Vanilla). If you look at Day 1, there are some examples that could fall into that.
Then, sometimes, people can just lob dynamite into the discussion and practically demand information. I guess most sports fishers wouldn’t consider that fishing, but the end result can be the same.