no, I’ve left much of what you’ve said alone. In this game, I’ve pointed things out, and then left them for others to discuss instead of repeatedly trying to understand you and get you to understand me.
I’ve also tried not to insult you or ascribe emotions to you. I don’t hate you. I’ve repeatedly told you that I don’t hate you. If you’ve ever gotten that impression from me, I again apologize, but from this point on, the problem is really yours and not mine. I’ve been very clear on the matter. Any other discussion you’d like to have about my emotions will have to occur out of the game.
It’s not as bad, but I wanted to head off the typical multiple-page back-and-forth at the pass. At this point, I think riling up Meeko is anti-Town regardless of whether or not he’s Town or Scum. He always reacts in the same way no matter what, so getting him pissed off is a null tell, and all it does is fill the thread with noise. Your poking gets him going, and then other people can’t help but get involved, and it all turns into a total trainwreck that really isn’t very fun for anyone. Don’t look at this as a defense of Meeko–I’m at the point where I skim most of his posts unless it’s absolutely necessary, because I found a long time ago that trying to comprehend what he was getting at is futile for me–and that was when we were on the same team! When I have no idea as to his alignment, it becomes Sisyphean.
I have a family medical problem that’s been preventing me from having time to give this game what I need to. That said, I’m still reading it when I have time, just not cogitating on it to any great extent yet. I don’t want a sub, I’m just letting y’all know.
I guess I have no choice at this point. Unfortunately, I am guilty of almost everything I’ve been accused of. I’ve been trying to lay low enough to avoid a Night kill but contribute enough to avoid a lynch. I did type my claim and managed to include a typo that I thought for sure the scum would pick up. So I’ve been self protecting so far. That’s right I’m;
As far as the not voting thing I was moving across the country and pretty much missed the first Day, so no excuse there but it wasn’t game related.
Since my role seemed tied to name I figured that the scum’s were as well which led to my earlier comments about name and role being what the scum were using to select their Night kills and my fears about the name claim but the benefits of locking in out roles. Apparently, based on the mason claim not everyone’s role is tied to their name but that’s what I’ve had to work with.
Thank you, Oredigger, for simplifying my life considerably. I’ve already been considering doing this, and now I can out scum in the bargain.
The reasons I’ve been considering claiming are twofold: First, I’ve been quite indiscreet. I pushed way too hard on the “story’s role was Detective so he was a cop” thing. I think that I would have done the same thing as vanilla, but from the scum perspective that was just screaming “power role”. I think that there’s a good chance that scum already knew that I was a power role.
The other reason I’ve been thinking of claiming stems from my involvement in designing Hoopy’s all-PFK game that we’ll be running on Idle Mafia in a couple of months. One of our big problems in designing that game were the doctors. A PFK doctor who can self-protect is more-or-less invincible; only the lynch can touch him. It made me realize that the exact same thing applies to a doctor in normal mafia. With both our Cop and Vig gone, I’m thinking that this is a great opportunity to put that theory into practice. I’m going to self-protect myself to end-game and there’s nothing the scum can do about it.
Really? I don’t see how a doctor self-protecting would break the game. A scum team can lynch him on the last day if they can’t kill him at Night. Or they could lynch someone else to give them number control. It’s not that hard to follow.
Well, at least something has happened. Finally, a claim and a counter claim. Either Oredigger or Rysto is lying, so I know I’m going to re-evaluate who my vote is on. I haven’t decided yet, but I think it is obvious that I will:
Unvote Tom
I still think he’s behaving scummy, but Oredigger or Rysto is the better vote. I’m leaning toward Oredigger, but haven’t decided yet.
My vote is going to remain on Oredigger. If he is scum, he has a lot of motivation to false-claim. He exposes our real doc and he might even avoid a lynch temporarily. If Rysto were scum, why would he counter-claim?
Rysto, have you considered that the scum might have a role-blocker and can block and kill you? It’s not like their role-blocker will have anyone better to block. You can always hope that their role-blocker is Oredigger.
There are a couple of options why Rysto might false counter claim, but they venture into increasingly unlikely scenarios. The only even remotely plausible one that I can think of is this:
With the vig and cop presumably dead, an outed doctor would be difficult for scum to night kill. Counter claiming 95% of the time means the original claimant gets lynched. Forcing a doc lynch means that there would likely be nothing to stop scum from killing whoever it is most advantageous for them to kill, with no hope of protection.
I guess if this is the case, it’s a risk I’m willing to take. My gut impulse is to lynch Oredigger, and then lynch Rysto if it turns out Oredigger was not lying.
Fair enough, I didn’t realize they were masons and it was screwing with me. As far as the typo that’s what happens when you just auto accept spell check changes.
I have only self protected and have received no confirmations that my protections went through.
Interesting, well, at least we’ll get one scum along with my lynch. I do like the game theory aspect and I’m looking forward to reading how you guys came up with it.
No cite, just my observation. Out of countless counter claims, I’ve seen 2 that I can recall where the original claimant was not lynched. One was because both players claimed a 3rd party role and one was vigged, and the other was due to a mix up in terminology. But I will admit that my experience is limited to < 20 games so it could just be sample bias.
I’m still not able to shake my suspicions of Rysto, in spite of his counter claim. The case against Oredigger hasn’t filled me with confidence either. I’m leaving my vote on Tom for now and reviewing them each with the patent-pending ScumAssumption ™ view.
Because I’m a glutton for punishment, I’m going to hazard a guess that what Meeko means here:
is that he thinks such a claim could be convenient cover for a scum who is actually not going to be killed because he’s scum, not because he’s pro-town and self protecting. Similar to his frustrations with my Mason claim on behalf of myself and Texcat. Until someone dies, there’s nothing concrete.
