Random Terminator 2 questions and observations.

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I just rented T2 tonight for something to burn time up because I remember loving this movie when I was younger. Watching it again tonight I noticed a few things that aggravated me and definitley took away from the movie.

  1. Why could the T1000 catch up to a car hauling ass down a straightaway towards the begining but couldnt catch up to the car when it was going in reverse thru the parking garage?

  2. The friend of John Conners with the red hair had one hell of a mullet going. One of the best in movie history I believe.

  3. Why didn’t Skynet send a T1000 unit back to the 1984 movie instead of the T100? I cant imagine the T1000 getting squashed by a Terminator crusher.

  4. What kind of gun was Sarah firing at the cyberdyne guy? The sniper rifle.

  5. Why could Terminators run and jump and move fast when they had skin covering on them, but when they were just metal robots they moved as slow as my grandpa?

  6. Would a standard issue Harley REALLY be able to take that jump into the drainage ditch without falling to pieces on impact?

  7. I was in my early teens when this movie first came out. Upon watching it again at the ripe old age of 25 I would have to say that Linda Hamilton was extremely hot and had one HELL of a body in that flick.

  8. Isnt the Terminator theme music second only to Star Wars in coolness? Da Dun Dun Dundun… DaDun Dun Dundun

  9. When Robert Patrick was hunched over after first coming thru the time portal, could I see his johnson swinging around or was it my imagination?

  10. Linda Hamiltons lats were HUGE for a chick. HOT!

  11. Why couldn’t Eddie Furlong keep himself straight so he could star in T3? I think it would do the movie good to have more than just arnold returning. His career just kinda exploded after T2 huh? Although AHX was awsome.

  12. I didn’t really care for all the “sweetness” that Arnold showed in this movie. They shoulda dropped that crap.

  13. The chain gun as cool as hell.

  14. I want to make sweet sweet love to Linda Hamilton.

  15. Goddamn them for playing Bad to the Bone when Arnold first shows up in the leathers. That was SO lame. This movie seemed PG for a few minutes after that.

I think I covered it all. I don’t expect much out of T3 mainly because Arnold hasn’t been to great in most of his movies lately. T1 is too boring now because I have seen it so many times so I would have to say that T2 is the better of the 2.

What is the concencus around here on T2?

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Don’t have answers to ALL of your questions, but here’s a few that I can contribute to:

  1. Cinematic device

  2. He was also the “Cool Rebel” on Nickelodeon’s Salute your Shorts, one of Nick’s greatest shows with the best theme song ("…And when I think about you, it makes me wanna fart!" Genius!)

  3. For the sake of not having to re-write too much of the plot, the generally accepted idea is that Skynet sent the T-1000 back to deal with John as a teen, and then sent the T-100 back to deal with his mother as a back up. That’s why you get Arnold against Liquid as opposed to Arnold against Arnold. Simple rewrite without having to fuck with the original plot TOO much.

  4. Again, a bit of cinematic effect, but if you watch the first one, the endoskeleton actually moves pretty quick. With a busted leg, it was still moving at a rather quick pace. Perhaps the muscle tissue helps make movement more fluid when they’re covered. Or simply, the technology we have nowadays just can’t make it move that quick. Although, watching it move and jerk slowly towards you is a bit more frightening. Just think about it: All big horror film killers and monsters walk. Something about being very methodical and not in a rush to do things makes them a bit more terrifying.

  5. Yes, she is indeed hot. There’s just something about a woman that can kick your ass, you know? It’s when they START kicking your ass that things become problematic.

  6. Theme music is VERY cool.

  7. I wouldn’t be suprised, but honestly, I wasn’t looking.

  8. I’ve never really liked Eddie, he’s always been a whiney little ugly bitch. American History X was GREAT!!! But mainly for Edward Norton and the storyline than anything Eddie contributed. Detroit Rock City was great, as well.

  9. I did enjoy the bit where he shoots the security guard in the legs, turns and says deadpan “He’ll live.” It did ad for a bit of funny here and there.

It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, but I still think it’s one of the best action films around.

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Huh huh, if I was made out of liquid metal, I know what kind of ‘weapon’ I’d grow for her! Huh huh.

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  1. T-1000 was busy transferring internal resources into bracing the impact of bullets and shotgun blasts.

  2. Danny Cocksey was also the step-brother of Gary Coleman and Bruce Willis on Different Strokes when Mr. Drummond married a Southern Belle.

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  1. I thought it looked like an CAR15 equipped with a silencer and laser sight.

  2. Not a chance. And the motorcycle in the movie was standard issue. The jump was accomplished with cables, computer masking and stop-motion filming.

  3. Well, the music is up there with the Alien and Star Trek II soundtracks.

  4. As opposed to huge for a… man? Although Arnie’s pecs are pretty sizaeble, I’ll admit.

  5. Oh, yeah, he was real sweet when he was shooting people in the kneecaps. I’ll admit that “I need a vacation” line was misplaced. It was an Arnie ad-lib. He’d used the line earlier in Kindergarden Cop.

  6. How about a threeway with her and her twin sister, Leslie, who also appeared in the film?

  7. I thought “Bad to the Bone” was funny, myself. It made a nice break from all the rough stuff in the biker bar.

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  1. I seem to remember he had further ground to cover in the garage… plus he was transferring his internal wossnames, as already mentioned… plus he was thinking about other stuff. Do you have any idea how hard it is to motivate yourself when you’re made of liquid metal?

  2. It was a very groovy mullet, wasn’t it? I think they should be made compulsory for teenagers.

  3. Skynet was victim to internal squabbles between three different factions in its own systems - Linux, Windows and Mac. The 1984 Terminator ran on Windows, which was why it was so unfriendly. Robert Patrick was a Macintosh machine, very smooth and everything but somehow essentially evil. The second Arnie, up against Robert Patrick, ran on Linux. That was why he was totally cool but Edward Furlong couldn’t find many games.

  4. It was a sniper rifle. :smiley:

  5. Wouldn’t it be sooooo funny if we saw a Terminator’s POV as he died and it turned into the blue screen of death? Wouldn’t that be really funny and, like, sort of witty? Maybe it wouldn’t.

  6. Sure, why not.

  7. Yeah but if you look closely during the scene where she does chin-ups in her room, you can see her johnson swinging around. Put me off.

  8. Maybe so but did you know the original theme tune was supposed to be an upbeat number sung by Julie Andrews?

  9. It happens to be very cold in the future.

  10. See above.

  11. I bet he lost his mind when he realised he and Christina Ricci were the same person. Cue endless Vanilla Sky style hallucinations. And swinging johnsons.

  12. Linux does come off as a bit desperate to please sometimes.

  13. It’s not as cool as a railgun, but perhaps they don’t exist.

  14. See you on Springer.

  15. In one of the first shooting scripts, the idea of playing “I’ve Got a Brand New Combine Harvester” was mooted. Would have been cool.

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  1. Why could the T1000 catch up to a car hauling ass down a straightaway towards the begining but couldnt catch up to the car when it was going in reverse thru the parking garage?

To give the viewers time to catch up. Crappy cinematic technique.

  1. The friend of John Conners with the red hair had one hell of a mullet going. One of the best in movie history I believe.

Oh hell yeah, he could put any member of the early eighties New Romantics to shame. In this movie, it kinda marked John (through his friends) as an unfashionable outsider.

  1. Why didn’t Skynet send a T1000 unit back to the 1984 movie
    instead of the T100? I cant imagine the T1000 getting squashed by a Terminator crusher.

Someone earlier in the thread had a good point: they probably sent both terminators at the same time. After all, remember that Reece said, in the first movie, that Skynet were going down? So they only had a limited window of opportunity, and they used it as much as they could.

  1. What kind of gun was Sarah firing at the cyberdyne guy? The sniper rifle.

I don’t know, but she’s a fecking lousy shot.

  1. Why could Terminators run and jump and move fast when they had skin covering on them, but when they were just metal robots they moved as slow as my grandpa?

Three words - C G I.

  1. Would a standard issue Harley REALLY be able to take that jump into the drainage ditch without falling to pieces on impact?

It was a pro biker’s Harley, perhaps it was modified?

  1. I was in my early teens when this movie first came out. Upon watching it again at the ripe old age of 25 I would have to say that Linda Hamilton was extremely hot and had one HELL of a body in that flick.

Oh HELL yeah. When I’m at the gym, sometimes the image og Linda Hamilton pulling herself up those bars in the prison cell helps me carry on. (Yes, I know Sarah Connor the toughie is a fictional character, but Hamilton had to work out like that irl too). The T2 Linda will never quite overtake the T1 Linda in my affections, though.

  1. Isnt the Terminator theme music second only to Star Wars in coolness? Da Dun Dun Dundun… DaDun Dun Dundun

The music is one of the best aspects of the movie. It seems strange that so few people have ever mentioned it.

  1. When Robert Patrick was hunched over after first coming thru the time portal, could I see his johnson swinging around or was it my imagination?

I hope it was just sound wires or something.

  1. Linda Hamiltons lats were HUGE for a chick. HOT!

Yes, absolutely. It takes a lot of work to get them that big. Kudos to Linda Hamilton.

  1. Why couldn’t Eddie Furlong keep himself straight so he could star in T3? I think it would do the movie good to have more than just arnold returning. His career just kinda exploded after T2 huh? Although AHX was awsome.

Yes! It’s just not the same. No LH, AND no Eddie Furlong? It just does not feel right.

  1. I didn’t really care for all the “sweetness” that Arnold showed in this movie. They shoulda dropped that crap.

Arnie stuff. He’s Spielberg with more muscles and less brains.

  1. The chain gun as cool as hell.

  2. I want to make sweet sweet love to Linda Hamilton.

Ditto.

  1. Goddamn them for playing Bad to the Bone when Arnold first shows up in the leathers. That was SO lame. This movie seemed PG for a few minutes after that.

There were several PG moments - that, is, scenes that seemed there just so the censors could declassify the movie. It was just kinda tacky. ‘Let’s use bad to the bone, fnar fnar, because he doesn’t have any bones, fnar fnar.’

I think I covered it all. I don’t expect much out of T3 mainly because Arnold hasn’t been to great in most of his movies lately. T1 is too boring now because I have seen it so many times so I would have to say that T2 is the better of the 2.

What is the concencus around here on T2?

I prefer T1, partly from sentimental reasons, partly because it had fewer incidents of pandering to the audience, and partly because the story itself was more origianl and seems more … for want of a better word, sincere, to me. But T3 could be OK. You never know. I hope it is. I just wish LH and EF were in it.

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  1. Well, even though they were going backwards they were still hauling ass. Plus the T1000 was being sprayed with bullets the whole time which slows him down a bit.

  2. David Spade’s in ‘Joe Dirt’ was better.

  3. Um, because it’s a movie. Actually, James Cameron originally invisioned the liquid metal Terminator for the first film, but there was no way to do the effect (Trivia: Arnold was originally going to be the Reese character and the Terminator was going to be, get this, O.J. Simpson!!)

  4. It looked like a compact AR15 (civilian version of the M16). She must have gotten it outside the US because it was select fire (semi & full auto).

  5. Basically because one’s a real live actor and the other’s a prop! If you’re refering to the 1st film, he was severely damaged by the time he was just a metal skeleton. In the flash-forward scene at the begining of T2, well maybe they were just less sophisticated front line ‘grunts’. Remember what Reese said in the 1st one, “Terminator is an infiltration unit”.

  6. No way. Even a striped-down dirt bike would be iffy. As others have said, it was lowered via cables and the cables were digitally erased (and if you look close you can see it’s not Ah-nold, but his look-alike stunt double Peter Kent).

  7. Jim Cameron liked it so much, he bought the company!

  8. Definately the best non-John Williams theme.

  9. Maybe. You can actually almost see Ah-nold’s who-ha when he’s walking towards the punks in the 1st one.

  10. That’s was part of the plot. She became hardcore after the 1st one tried to kill her.

  11. Being that T3 is set in the future, I don’t think he’s old enough anyway.

  12. I wouldn’t say that shooting people in the knee-caps instead of killing them qualifies as “sweet”!

  13. What else would you expect a chain gun to be?

  14. Hey, she’s got half of Cameron’s money!

  15. Yeah, but using Guns N Roses was cool.

As far as the third movie goes, right after T2 hit big James Cameron had T-shirts made that said, “T3? NOT WITHOUT ME!”.

'nuff said.

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  1. Go back to your DVD and do a frame by frame on that scene. You can definetly see SOMETHING fleshy and worm like down there.

Da Dun Dun Dundun… DaDun Dun Dundun