Rank the Superhero/Comic book TV series

With the new season starting up, I thought I’d rank the various shows that originated from comic books, and give some of my random thoughts about each series. They’re mostly about superheroes, but not necessarily so (unless you count the Lord of the Flies as a superhero). I haven’t watched Daredevil or Jessica Jones and so can’t speak to their qualities.

1. Gotham
The first season gave us a stylish, eclectic aesthetic combined with impeccable cinematography for a twisted sort of buddy-cop show. It was hampered by sticking too closely to the villain-of-the-week premise (albeit deliciously twisted villains) as well as not knowing what to do with certain characters, notably Barbara, Fish Mooney after about mid-season, and even Bruce Wayne himself. The second season dispensed with the villain of the week in favor of multi-episode villain arcs, giving each character more room to breathe. With Barbara coming out of the funny farm, the rise of the Riddler, and Bruce showing flashes of becoming Batman, the whole thing just clicked into something glorious.

2. The Flash
The Flash is my favorite superhero and Barry Allen is my favorite version of the superhero. The death of Barry’s mother drives the character’s motivations without the series becoming too maudlin and most importantly without it losing its sense of fun. This is a show that, after all, has done justice to King Shark and Gorilla Grodd. This has become the premier series of the entire Berlantiverse.

3. iZombie
I think zombies have become overplayed, overexposed, and ovesaturated. (Note that The Walking Dead isn’t even on this list.) And yet I like this show for its rather fresh take on the whole zombies-eating-brains concept. Rose McIver plays the different brain-personas to almost Orphan Black levels of aplomb.

4. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
While being part of the MCU seems to be good idea, I think this show is actually hindered by having to keep in step with the movies. Case in point: The first season was a bit lackluster until The Winter Soldier, where it was revealed that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been infiltrated to the highest levels by Hydra; the show got a lot better having to deal with the consequences of this. The show maintained the conceit of calling in the Avengers as a setup for Age of Ultron, yet we’ve never seen an actual Avenger on the show. Plus the movies never seem to acknowledge that the TV show exists. Where are all the Inhumans that S.H.I.E.L.D. is supposed to be tracking? Still, the show is good enough for what it is.

5. Supergirl
The first few episodes were a bit too heavy-handed on the grrl power and got by pretty much on the sheer charisma of the lead character alone. The show really found its groove after the writers toned down the feminist screeds and let the characters’ actions speak for themselves. Cat’s quips were always full of snarky goodness and I’m sad that she’s going to have a reduced role in the upcoming season. (Now if only Jimmy Olsen were to have a reduced role.)

6. Legends of Tomorrow
Rip Hunter made it clear in the first episode that this is a team of inconsequentials, the second-stringers of the Berlantiverse. So I tune in every week just to see how hilariously the “Legends” are going to frak up this time around. Which is good as the main villain was seriously underwhelming, after such a big buildup in The Flash/Arrow crossover. The standalone episodes like Jonah Hex and future Star City were much better, and show the future potential of the series. Captain Cold’s character arc is probably one of the best ones across the entire Berlantiverse.

7. Agent Carter
Being a prequel of sorts to the MCU, the show had possibly freer reign to develop independent storylines than Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. They squandered the opportunity, alas, in the second and last season with a lackluster Big Bad and a storyline that meandered hither and yon, never actually going anywhere. I would have liked to have seen SSR transition to S.H.I.E.L.D.; I guess we’ll never get to see that now.

8. Lucifer
For all that the eponymous character is the actual Prince of Darkness, this boils down to yet another police procedural with an eccentric male lead and a straight-laced female partner. This isn’t a bad show, but I’ve seen this setup before.

9. Arrow
How the mighty have fallen. The show that kicked off the DC-Berlantiverse is now but a sad shell of its former self. What was once a quirky, likeable secondary character has turned into an irrational shrew who inhabits every other scene and whose only purpose seems to be to drive Oliver’s decisions about vigilantism. One would think that detonating a nuke on the continental United States would far have greater repercussions on the milieu. After killing several characters only to bring them back from the dead, they finally killed off Black Canary (for realsies this time!) just because they had set up the season to have someone in a grave. The last season was such a waste of a good villain (Damien Darhk) and the actor playing that villain (Neal McDonough) that they’re apparently bringing him back on Legends of Tomorrow. Can the next season recover from the missteps of the past couple of seasons?

I haven’t seen as many as you, but I’d go:

  1. iZombie
  2. Daredevil
  3. Agents of SHIELD
  4. Constantine
  5. Wynonna Earp
  6. Arrow

Despite the numbering, there’s a few steep drops in there. iZombie is great. Daredevil and Agents are both fun but highly flawed. Constantine was passably entertaining. Earp and Arrow simply aren’t good.

  1. Supergirl. One of the few shows that actually has a positive outlook and looks into the dynamics of being a hero.
  2. iZombie. Getting a bit tired, but the mystery of the week is still good.
  3. Lucifer. Tom Ellis is always a delight to watch.
    I stopped watching anything else. The Flash -- which I should have loved – did nothing for me. Legends of Tomorrow, Arrow, and Agents of Shield were boring cookie-cutter shows.

Gotham was an ugly mess, filled with casual and grotesque sadism that’s about as entertaining as a death camp. I gave up on it after a season as they tried to overdo themselves with “darkness” which was just plain tedious. And, to borrow a phrase from Howard Chaykin, all the villain are boring psychopaths.

[ul]
[li]Agents of Shield - it’s got that Whedonesque ensemble cast that feels like family. Clever dialogue at times. It’s got a full season. These 10-13 ep seasons are a drag.[/li]
[li]Daredevil - good drama and acting. I like the characters.[/li]
[li]Gotham - Fun. It’s not really that dark. Comically dark. Penguin, Fish, etc. they’re all fun evil.[/li]
[li]Flash - Light hearted, goofy, fun, they have non-cliche gay characters. And actors. It’s got nice gay sensibilities.[/li]
[li]Arrow - Flash but a bit darker. Silly and goofy.[/li]
[li]Jessica Jones - good production values. People say it was all about rape. Too rapey.[/li]
[li]Supergirl - Like Flash & Arrow, but with a heaping helping of anachronistic 1960’s women’s lib barfed all over it.[/li]
[li]Legends of Tomorrow - Arrow sucked at first. It might get better. [/li]
[li]Lucifer - Didn’t know this was based on a comic. I marathon watched it. I don’t know why. I almost can’t stand the way the actor plays Lucifer and that stupid grin he has. I want to punch him. He’s really overplaying it. Tone it down. You could be charming.[/li][/ul]

Most of the shows mentioned are hour killers that I watch because nothing better to do. Exceptions are Gotham because it keeps jumping the shark and I find that strangely entertaining and I was a Matt Ryan fan of Constantine. Can’t believe they are trying to get Colin Farrell to play him in Justice League Dark movie.

“I thought I’d rank the various shows that originated from comic books, and give some of my random thoughts about each series. They’re mostly about superheroes, but** not necessarily so**”

Then Walking Dead gets number 1 on my list.

I checked out the first episode of Wynonna Earp last night. It didn’t blow me away, but it was good enough that I’ll give it a chance to develop. I think I could have done without yet another show using “Black Sheep” (i.e., “I’m a baaaaaaad woman to keep!”) as a musical cue. It seems like that thing’s everywhere. It’s quickly heading right up there with “I Feel Good” and “Hallelujah” in the oh-no-not-this-again category for me.

The ones that I have watched.

  1. Flash. My all time favorite hero, done well.
  2. Supergirl. Madame P. likes her a lot. Better with Callista Flockhart.
  3. Jessica Jones. Especially for David Tennant.
  4. Agents of SHIELD. Loved the early seasons. This year I couldn’t get over the fact that they’ve only had one plotline the entire series. (One of us is going to break the Agents apart from within!)
  5. Arrow. Too many freaking flashbacks.
  6. Legends of Tomorrow. I oughta care, but I don’t.
  7. Gotham. Uh, no. Just, no.

Of the departed series:

  1. Agent Carter. Heck, I liked it better than the Flash.
  2. Constantine. It was really starting to click when it was cancelled.

I’m still planning on getting around to Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist & the Defenders. Whenever I have time.

1 Jessica Jones - far and away the best
2 Daredevil - ranking it as a whole show rather than by season still gets it second place
3 Luke Cage

4 Iron Fist - it suffers greatly compared to the other three netflix shows, but its still above all the regular cable fare
5 iZombie Mostly getting by on Rose McIvers cuteness, getting a bit stale either way
6 Supergirl Pretty much the same as above
7 Agents of Shield peaked with the Winter Soldier tie in, steady downhill climb since then. Suffers greatly from being in the Marvel Cinematic universe. Should have stayed as the remnants of shield fighting the remnants of hydra.
8 Flash great first season, turned into “oh look another speedsters and I’m not fast enough!” extremely fast and got dropped this last season
9 Arrow Started of good, ran out of steam pretty fast, i think it would have been canceled a while ago if it wasn’t being propped up by the other shows

I watch only iZombie, Lucifer, and Gotham, and prefer them in that order.

(As for the completeness of the list, don’t forget Legion.)

Oh, and the all time bestest of all:

**Batman **(1960’s) with Adam West and Burt Ward.

followed at some distance by

The Adventures of Superman with George Reeves.

Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman (1993) gets a vote from me, if only because of this exchange between Clark and his mother:

(Superman has smothered a bomb blast, leaving his uniform filthy. Martha is trying to clean it)

Martha: Is this mud or grease?

Clark: It’s. . . bomb.

If we’re voting in (oog, my old bones…) historical TV shows, do animated ones count?

I can think of three, at least, that would top my list. Two of which actually invented characters who’ve headlined in motion pictures in the last year.

When I posted the thread almost a year ago, I was thinking mostly of the currently-airing TV series. The list I posted reflected that. You can rank whichever shows, past or present, you like.

With the end of 2016-2017 season (except for iZombie which is still ongoing) my rankings would be different now. I’ll post a revised list once I get the chance to write down my thoughts.

Lucifer. The last few episodes were epic; the final one was a perfect season finale. It is the only one I’m not thinking about dropping.

iZombie. Still OK, but the story arc is getting boring and I don’t like the way they’ve changed the way Liv’s personality changes. It used to be subtle, now she completely changes in five minutes and it’s too over-the-top.

  • Supergirl*. Most of the fun is reimagining the DC characters of the 60s, and it certainly does a great job with the characters. But it misses Cat Grant and the final arc this year was the usual cliche. The hint at next season looks like it may be giving up on being imaginative.

I don’t care for anything else. Gotham stopped being interesting in the second season; from the bits I see, it’s gotten even worse. The others I’ve caught never interested me enough to watch more than three episodes,

I’d love to watch all the D.C. series but I just don’t have the time.

My faves are Jessica Jones and Daredevil with Luke Cage runner up. I never read Marvel before so these characters were pretty new to me and these shoes blew me away.

And this thread taught me two things: 1. Berlantiverse. 2. You can read the word Berlantiverse about one-and-a-half times before it becomes annoying.

The problem with most of the CW superhero shows is that they are structured like CW shows.

Daredevil
Jessica Jones
Luke Cage
Agents of SHIELD
Flash
Legends of Tomorrow
Lucifer
Supergirl
Arrow

Here’s my updated list, based on the just-concluded TV season.

  1. Legion
    I’m still not completely sure of everything that went down here. Which parts were real? Which parts were all in the head? Which parts were real but took place in headspace? If you’ve seen it, you’ll know what I’m talking about. If you haven’t, why are you just sitting there reading this? Go watch Legion now!

  2. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
    Retooling for shorter story arcs did this series a world of good. I wasn’t entirely enamored of the initial “Ghost Rider” plotline, which was relatively run-of-the-mill. But it was a great setup for the middle “LMD” arc. I just love hidden traitor plots. “LMD” in turn was a great setup for the “Framework”. AIDA was one of the greatest villains ever seen in the MCU. She was certainly better-realized than that other villainous Marvel AI, Ultron.

  3. Legends of Tomorrow
    Another series that retooled itself, this one by fully embracing its comic book roots and never taking itself too seriously. There was also some great meta-commentary on how weak the first season really was, as well as the sheer ridiculousness of their whole situation. The Legion of Doom were just so deliciously evil, each member trying to outdo the others in chewing up the scenery. At the same time, you could readily understand their motivations; they weren’t just evil for the sake of being evil (mostly).

  4. Gotham
    Still stylish, still eclectic. Most of what I said in my OP still applies. The Penguin-Riddler rivalry is a thing of beauty, and it seems to be increasingly what drives the show. David Mazouz has really grown into the role of Bruce Wayne, both literally and figuratively.

  5. Arrow
    Holy crap, has this show turned itself around. Felicity is back in the Arrowcave where she belongs and not boinking Oliver. The flashbacks were actually relevant to the main plot. The new recruits are finally gelling. Mr Terrific has his T-Spheres. I even like the new Black Canary.

  6. The Flash
    This show has somehow taken all the fun it had in its first two seasons and sent it over to Legends. I don’t particularly want to watch mopey Barry Allen. Nor mopey Cisco for that matter. The new Harrison Wells was a bit of an asshat. And yet another speedster villain. Killer Frost was far superior; she really knew how to push Barry’s buttons.

  7. Supergirl
    Moving production to Vancouver didn’t do this show any favors, mainly because they lost Cat Grant. The entire balance of the show was thrown out of whack. Without Cat, there wasn’t much anchoring Kara to CatCo, Winn having been hired by the DEO and Jimmy being such a non-entity. I wanted to see Kara’s character grow as a reporter. We got to see precious few scenes of reporter-Kara. Instead, most of Kara’s screen time was spent in her relationship with the insipid Mon-El.

Lucifer drops out of the list. I never bothered to watch it again when the show came back from hiatus. iZombie is also not on the list, but that’s just because it’s still airing. Based on what’s been aired so far, I’d probably place it ahead of The Flash.

Note that all of the above shows in their latest seasons were far, far better than season four of Arrow. That was truly the utter depths of hack TV.