Well I do think that she is just using her senat seat as a stepping stone more then anything else. Ideally I would like to see her give up her seat and loose the election (but this depends on who’s running against her as there is a set of circumstances where I would have to vote for her)
I’ve read through this thread twice, and I still havn’t figured out if the OP is complaining
(a) because he is a Clinton-basher and thinks anything Hillary does is bad
(b) is against the Iraq war and thinks that anyone going there must be for it
© just doesn’t have a clue what a Senator’s job is
or what?
Why should she give up her seat? She was elected by the people of New York in a fair election. kanicbird, when you have stone cold Republicans thinking you’re nuts, maybe it’s time to re-evaluate.
I’m a Democrat who’d rather gouge out her eyes than see Hillary run for President, but I’m appreciative that she’s an independent-thinking centrist who draws her own conclusions and doesn’t let party lines sway her, rather than an irrational, clinging centrist who’s desperate for votes.
Um. where to start? IMO, ALL the senators need to go to Iraq (jut not all at the same time) to see for themselves (and remember, they stand for us–you and me) just what is happening, what has been achieved and what more needs to be done (ie, how much more of MY tax dollar will be spent/wasted/prok barreled/whatever). I found her comments on the situation to be both reasonable and non-partisan. If anything, the Reps over there have been more harsh in their criticism–which to me is a sign of hope.
It wouldn’t hurt for every “town exec” (do you really equate Senators with mayors of small town?) to go there either. It wouldn’t hurt any American to actually TRAVEL and see the world a bit, to broaden their world view.
I’m sorry, but I think I am talking to a stupid person. Jeebus: Hillary graduated from YALE LAW SCHOOL --all by her little female self. Bill didn’t help her a bit, really.
She is not to blame for the tanking of the health plan–Americans are perfectly happy to be the only industrialized nation w/o universal coverage–it makes us feel like pioneers, battling snake bites and dehydration or some such shit.
No, no–Hillary offended alot of people by saying that she wasn’t gonna stay home and bake cookies. Why do I get the feeling that you feel that women should stay home etc?
As for the ghost writer-welcome to Washington and modern day publishing. Did you think that Roseann wrote her own book?
Because you are one of those radical hairy-legged feminists?
Can you explain how being a First Lady makes you qualified to do anything but pour coffee? As a First Lady you are simply the wife of the President. The title does not confer on you any great prescience or ability. That they take certain responsibilities now is nice, but it’s at the sole discretion of the President.
If the First Lady is dumber than a bag of hammers, does it necessarily follow that she’s qualified for the Senate? Of course not. Therefore, her Hillary’s only real qualifications are her health care failures (coincidentally as the First Lady) and her shady past back when she was a lawyer in Arkansas. A stellar record this is not. If these are better qualifications than 90% of people who become Senators, why the hell do we elect them?
Ooh! Ooh! I’ll take a shot.
Our lovely OP decides to take a poorly thought-out cheap shot at HRC. Sadly, though, he doesn’t have the capability of actually coming up with some content that can’t be torn apart by anyone who can remember the URL www.google.com.
Instead, due to the painfully partisan causticnesslihood of the SDMB he figures he can just toss out some random crap and then get his Tightie Rightie buddies to make his arguments for him.
Sadly, while they have no problem deep-throating an eggplant for the Fearless Leader, friend kanicbird, having not yet achieved a rank of at least Junior Douchebag for Liberty,doesn’t warrant another hit on the kool-aid.
Does that sound just about right? Need the trainwreck continue?
-Joe
I love your posts!
Her health care plan wasn’t a “failure.” It was never given a chance because it was strangled in its crib by a deceptive ad campaign engaged in by the industry it was trying to clean up. The fact that a plan does not pass a viciously partisan congress is not proof that the plan itself is flawed.
Also, Airman, please identify something HRC did as a lawyer that was “shady.” Ken Starr wasn’t able to find anything no matter how hard he looked.
I would also say that having been a corporate lawyer, a law professor at the University of Arkansas and having participated in or chaired a number of legal advocacy causes, including leading the Children’s Defense Fund makes her as qualified as anybody else in the Senate and far more qualified to hold public office than the current president.
What kind of resumes do you imagine that the rest of congress has that’s so much better than Hillary’s?
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DtC, the thing about her health care plan that bothered me, at the time, was the secrecy surrounding how it was created, and how angrily she responded to any questions from legislators, reporters and the public. The impression she gave was that she expected the plan to be approved because she came up with it.
Her ‘listening campaign’ here in NY was as much to change the impression she’d made then as anything else. And she does better at listening than D’Amato did, certainly. (Yes, that’s damning with faint praise, I know…) But I don’t think that you can say that her Health Care plan had been shot down by actions of the health care industry, since, she seemed to be going out of her way to antagonize as many people as possible all by her ownself.
None of which changes that, as a lawyer with her experience, she’s far from the least qualified Senator we’ve got.
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Oh boy where to start…
Answered in post # 60 of this thread.
If she runs for president she won’t be able to honor her commitment to her current job. Yes I know it’s common practice to keep one’s seat, but I find it disturbing, and not just H.
Well lets just say that this is not my humble O.
It appears from others who posted that many are.
Actually there was a media event where she did make cookies, that is what I was refering too. While I do have some beliefs about primary care giver to children, it is not nessesarlly the female that need to be the one to give it. Why do I get the feeling you are against the idea of women who chose to stay home?
I don’t know what board you think this is, but I knew that most are leftists and I knew that you would be spewing your crap. I knew you would gang up on me, and try to use the might makes right argument along with name calling. I am actually heartened by the support I have gotten in this post.
For the life of me I can’t understand why people get into such a fuss over Hilary Clinton. I am adamantly opposed to national health care (because these programs have a tendency to balloon out of control and a huge burden on future generations) yet I believe her motives for seeking such a program were spot on. I believe she has shown class, intelligence and compassion as both the First Lady and as Senator. That doesn’t mean that I always agree with her politics, but I can certainly respect and admire her nonetheless.
I do believe she is planning to run for President in the future - if not 2008 then 2012. If her visit to Iraq is an attempt to understand the Middle Eastern situation more clearly, then GOOD FOR HER. How in the world could educating yourself about world affairs, and meeting leaders in order to understand their position be a bad thing for a Senator…or a presidential candidate?
So good for Hillary Clinton AND John McCain. As John Mellencamp says, “If you’re not part of the future, then get out of the way.”
How unlike any other politician in the history of the world. :rolleyes:
You’re kidding, right?
The “support” you’ve gotten so far has come from a couple moderates who said, essentially, “I don’t like her either, but it doesn’t make her unqualified, and she’s doing the same thing a bunch of other Senators have already done.”
If polite disagreement is support, you got a little.
If people laughing at your inane rant is support, you got lots.
Congrats.
-Joe
I think being first lady brings valuable experience. For instance, I think she’s more of a hawk on Iraq than some of her peers on the left because she got to spend 8 years watching her husband have to deal with truly serious problems. She knows this isn’t a game, which is why she’s been much more serious and careful about her comments than some of her more wild-eyed compatriots in the Senate. And just in general, she’s a smart lady and she got to spend 8 years in the executive branch as an observer. That’s got to be valuable.
Compare her qualifications to someone like John Edwards. What’s he got for qualifications? Oh yeah… He was a hotshot trial lawyer. That’s it. No other qualifications. And that’s par for the course for Senators.
And I agree with you that she’s done some shady things in the past. Perhaps not as bad as the more wild-eyed on the right made them out to be, but I feel pretty confidant that her cattle futures win was a laundered kickback to her husband, and that Whitewater was a typical S&L type scam. But after almost 15 years of digging, no one has come up with any proof, so as far as I’m concerned it’s more than time to let that go.
As for her health care plan, I was staunchly opposed to it, as I think it was ill-conceived and I oppose the expansion of government into such a huge area of the economy. But again, that was over a decade ago and Hillary seems to have the capacity to learn.
People complain that she’s ‘pretending to move to the right’. Whether she’s pretending or not, I’ll support her when she says and does the right things, and she’s done more than a few right things lately, in stark contrast to many members of her own party.
Merijeek: How classy of you, to come in here and piss on those of us who are actually willing to support your side when we think it’s right. And as a non-sequitur at that. And you accuse us of being partisan. How pathetic.
Been there, done that–and still do. Now I work, part time (2 days a week). Suburban soccer mom life IS my life. Where do you get that I am anti-homemaker?
I find this whole thread specious-in essence, you are saying that you posted an ill-informed “rant” against HRC and now feel smug that you have been proven correct in your misguided assumptions about Dems.
Leftists hardly hold the market on crap spewing.
Sam, is this the part where you tell us you’re not really a Republican anyway?
Or he’s trying to prop her up as viable for the 2008 elections, thereby hijacking any chance the Democrats have of winning. 
I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, though, because he talks so pretty.
A couple things, Sam.
It’s actually kind of nice to see the old Sam Stone - the one who wasn’t batshit insane, which is how I think you’ve acted for the last couple years.
Beyond that, you’ll notice that I referred to “the painfully partisan causticnesslihood of the SDMB”. I did not refer to any particular group of people as partisan, did I? Because it’s gotten pretty bad on both sides. As such, it was a reference not to a particular group being bad, but to the mood of the entire venue.
So, you can consider it pathetic. Or, you can take it in the spirit in which it was meant. Maybe you could even think about why you made that assumption - perhaps because oh, I don’t know, “the painfully partisan causticnesslihood of the SDMB”?
-Joe