This is such a sensitive subject–I will try to be delicate with it.
My curiosity is if a woman is raped, how is the perpetrator able to penetrate her? In my (limited) sexual experience, the woman needs to be aroused and “lubed” to allow penetration. Otherwise, she will tear–not of concern to the perp, yes, but he will be pinched and bend painfully. Obviously rapists don’t walk around with a bottle of KY, and the woman is incredibly tense in fear (if she is conscious), so I’m curious about this.
Sorry, no answer for this one. I’m going to aske the flip side of it, though.
If a man is raped by a woman (not as common as male on female rape, but it does happen) how is he able to achieve an erection? I’ve always heard that stress is a major cause of erectile dysfunction, and I can’t imagine anything more stressful than being required to perform under threat of bodily harm.
“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side.” — Han Solo
This does not response to your question, but, at least from a legal perspective, no particular amount of penetration is needed to accomplish a rape. The standard is generally penetration “however slight.”
I do not know how much penetration typically occurs in fact.
tony1234
Two things fill my mind with ever-increasing wonder and awe: the starry skies above me and the moral law within me. – Kant
I would imagine that some cases actually do simply involve the force of which you wrote. Also, everyone actually does carry around a very good lubricant with them. It’s called saliva.
agisofia
The rape you described will not always be successful for the very reason you gave… stress. Stress can prevent erection sometimes, but will not always do so. In such a case where stress will not prevent the erection, actual physical stimulation could do the trick.
Things are random only insofar as we don’t understand them.
However, I remember many years ago me and my partner were prettty drunk. In our stupid state, I did the deed without the usual pleasantries of even a quickie. End result - I was able to do it just fine, she hurt for a couple of days later.
Conclusion: It doesn’t hurt the penis nearly as much as it hurts the vagina.
Also, a good number of rapists do not ejaculate, and I think any guy who ever did a similar thing that I did would tell you that having an orgasm - even with consentual sex - under those circumstances is tough.
Physiological reaction on the part of the victim has nothing to do with the act of rape.
A man could have an erection against his will, and I’m sure a woman could possibly lubricate. This fact was at one time (and maybe still is) used as a defense in rape cases.
It’s still rape.
Peace,
mangeorge
Teach your kids to bungee jump.
One them might have to cross a bridge someday.
*Satan–in your situation, your girlfriend was unconscious, relaxed, and unaware. Although she was not aroused, she was not tense with fear.
I remember reading a case study of a woman who was attacked. When the perp tried to rape her, she was too tight to penetrate. His response was to yell at her to “loosen up,” beat her up, and leave in a huff.
It just seems to me that a conscious woman, aware of what is going on and terrified, her body tight and tense in terror, would be very difficult to penetrate.
A woman weighs in: I was raped by an ex-boyfriend (who didn’t want to be an ex) - I fought but finally gave in when he started to choke me. Now, true, this was not as bad as if it had been a stranger – I didn’t call the cops, just moved and made damn sure he couldn’t find me again. I don’t recall that it was painful (this was a long time ago) – but yeah I was dry and it was not pleasant. I think the friction lubed things up. So my WAG is that the initial penetration would hurt, but the thrusting would stimulate the woman’s lube glands.
rape has occured in other animals, so i would guess that it is possible for someone to get enough sexual arousal from being the victom to perform their function
I must add that many women who are raped do in fact get aroused to a degree. This is the source of even more post-rape guilt from women, but it’s a totally natural thing: the body feels sex, the body thinks that sex is supposed to feel good, so the body starts feeling good (and presumably gets lubricated somewhat), even if everything else about the woman is feeling anything but good…
Thank you for telling us how women feel, Satan. In my experience talking with friends who have been raped, and in one instance when I thought I was in danger of being sexually assaulted, fear of injury and possible death do not lead to lubrication.
Renee
I’m very sorry that a proven scientific and physiological fact bothers you. Though I am quite sure that you did not have this happen to you, many rape victims do indeed report this happening to them.
Satan, I think an important distinction oughta be made here: between physiological response (lubrication, physiological arousal) and how it feels – normally, good, but under these circumstances most often not.
Many rapists and apologists for rape have used the argument that “If she gets wet, that means she’s enjoying it so it’s not rape”, which is a variant on “If you’re gonna get raped why not just lay back and enjoy it”, isn’t it?
Rape victims who spoke out in public at a forum I attended said they had occasionally experienced arousal and even orgasm, but that it wasn’t pleasant. Most common descriptive language included “being dissolved” and “being erased”. Also the guilt that you mentioned.
I was raped by someone I thought was a good friend. I was totally plastered (never got that drunk again, you can be sure), and was unable to stop him. All I can remember about that was I was crying, begging him to not do this, and feeling a lot of pain. I think I must have been pretty dry, and I hurt like H*** for several days afterwards, and had some spotting of blood.
Fear was not a good lubricator for me, at least, and I will not presume to speak for anyone else.
This is the first time I have ever told anyone this, except for a very few close friends.
Man, this was hard.
I hope it helps to answer your questions, Ruffian.
You are more than a human being, you are a human becoming.
Og Mandino
That’s my name, not a description. I am neither purple nor a bear. Okay, so I’m purple.<a true Wally original!>
I wish I could be there just to offer what little I could.
I might be 1000’s of miles away your hurt still reached this far.
Hope my comfort reaches you.
Well, it may not have been the most cheerful post to have for your 500th, but it is a post to be proud of. By telling us your painful story, you fought ignorance. Thank you.
