Rapex anti rape condom

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[QUOTE=toadspittle]
I don’t disagree at all (and, obviously, this whole chastity belt thing is just a thought exercise), but the distinction between passive and active defense is the distinction between a locked door/security system on your house and a 9mm under your pillow. Both may protect vs. intruders, but some may not wish to own a gun. And there’s nothing that says you can’t have both a locked door and a gun.
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Indeed you can. But the law takes a dim view of your putting a burglar trap in your house.

waves at Menocchio

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[QUOTE=Menocchio]
If such a device were to be employed, I don’t see the woman surviving the encounter. He’s already overpowered her. Now he’s pissed off. You might as well rig the device to explode for all the good it would do the woman.

All this talk about vagina dentata and armored chastity belts are bullshit non-answers to the problem of rape. Revenge fantasies, at best. Rapex can be beaten by sticking your finger in there first. A chastity belt gets beaten by a bolt cutter. Worse yet, both devices operate on the principle that the woman can not help but be raped, and can only be saved by passive devices such as these.

Why not stop the actual rape? Why don’t we address the causes of rape and stop them? Why don’t we reform the social and legal conventions that make a barbed condom an attractive alternative to going to the cops? Let’s eliminate the instability and complete lack of law that makes rape so prevalent in some parts of the third-world.

Of course, that’s hard, and may take generations to fully crack. So in the meantime, why don’t we teach women that they don’t have to prepare for rape as an inevitability? Teach them basic self-defense, including tips on personal safety. Fucking arm them, and not just in their vaginas. This has the benefit of defending against assaults other than vaginal rape by unprepared assailants, like simple muggings for example. More importantly, it sends a better message to the women about what they can do to better their lot.
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I think this is a damn good idea, educating people and giving them the tools to improve their own lives. I like the part about empowering women, but that’s only looking at half of the equation. Eliminating the causes of rape in a lot of conditions means reforming backwards societies and backwards populations in modern societies and educating people.

I think if you really want to apply an ounce (or pound) of prevention to the causes of rape you need to form a healthy sexual/power/domination dynamic in the minds of the people who are most likely to commit rape, and those are men. The time to form a healthy sexual/power/domination mindset is in their childhood. Get rid of ideas that sex with a virgin will cure AIDS, or that “her lips said no but her eyes said yes”; (a game that men play and some some women play too); the idea that men are in charge and women are subservient to them (good luck with South America, the Middle East and Africa); and all kinds of other misogynistic, patriarchal history and cultural heritage.

Isn’t the incidence or rape higher in low income populations?
As to why it seems less attractive than a penis-killing condom: there’s no money in educating poor people. Add to that the resistance that backwards people traditionally hold to the idea of ‘damn liberal foreigners/damn godless liberals’ educating their children with damn godless liberal ideas, and it becomes even less attractive.

While we’re at it, could we get rid of the idea in North America and Europe that the woman is in charge once they are married?

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[QUOTE=Menocchio]
I think a locked door is an inherently different thing than a booby trap concealed in your genitals.
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Agreed. That’s why I was setting aside the razor-sharp Rapex in favor of a simple chastity belt.

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[QUOTE=WhyNot]
The only reason there’s more psychological trauma to rape than to mugging is because we teach girls they’re “ruined” if they’re raped. We work them into a state of hysteria because they’ve been irreparably violated and tell them they’re going to be fucked up for years because of this. It’s total patriarchal women-as-property antiquated bullshit. It’s root is the exact same female oppression mentality which leads fathers to kill their daughters after rape because they’ve disgraced the family.
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I agree with most of this WhyNot, but my only addition would be that studies have suggested that much of the psychological trauma of rape can be traced to the fact that it is usually perpetrated by someone known to the victim, and is often accompanied by a withdrawal of the social support structure that mugging victims rely on. One’s friends, for example, are unlikely to turn round and accuse a person of making it up, or of provoking it, if that person is robbed at the ATM and pistol whipped. That aside, I think you are making very important points, in particular on the patriachal nature of much of rape law.

On the thread in general, my issue seems to be that it falls into one of the typical rape myths; that rape is a crime committed by strangers in dark alleys to women walking home alone. While such rapes do occur, they are the minority. I don’t see how any such product, even if it did exist, would impact the majority of rapes which occur in a “social” setting.

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[QUOTE=WhyNot]
And, while we’re at it, why don’t we stop teaching women that the worst thing that could ever happen to them, worse than death itself, is to be raped?

… The only reason there’s more psychological trauma to rape than to mugging is because we teach girls they’re “ruined” if they’re raped. We work them into a state of hysteria because they’ve been irreparably violated and tell them they’re going to be fucked up for years because of this. It’s total patriarchal women-as-property antiquated bullshit. It’s root is the exact same female oppression mentality which leads fathers to kill their daughters after rape because they’ve disgraced the family.
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You forget that men can be raped, too.

And I think you’re overemphasizing the patriarchal aspect here. I think that the real issue is that we tell everyone (male and female) that sex is special, and an incredibly intimate moment between two people who love each other … so when that moment is used for violence, it’s naturally seen as quite horrifying.

So if you’re talking about re-educating, one way out is to de-emphasize the importance and intimacy of sex altogether. “Sex is something people do … no big deal … it’s like shooting pool, or going bowling–fun, but not the end-all be-all.” That way, when people are raped, they aren’t as emotionally scarred by it, since they have less emotionally invested in it.

But I think that’s throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

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[QUOTE=toadspittle]
You forget that men can be raped, too.
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Well, no, I’m posting in a thread about a vaginal rape-device. Male rape victims didn’t seem all that topical.

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One of the reasons why rape is probably seen as such a horror in this day and age, at least in some areas of the world, is the AIDS epidemic. Doesn’t South Africa have the highest rate of people who are HIV+ than any other nation in the world?

(Which, of course, makes Rapex all the more stupid, considering the blood aspect and all.)

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Well, I guess I’ll just stay out of the discussion, then. I thought perhaps this was a broader topic, not an Amazon.com product review.

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Hey, Adam yaks, you mentioned “The Onion”. When I was a kid in 60’s & 70’s, somewhere in the early 70’s, or '69, my brothers friend started a "school “paper”–more like a mini magazine…it was called “The Onion”—. Does that “magazine” still exist? or to what , so coincidentally, are you referring? It was a fictional hippie type psychedelic construction paper freehand (what other kind is there?) artwork and handprint look. I know I’m rambling, but my question is…What is YOUR Onion? And where can I see it? Thanks, ignorant, but learning!

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oops, that is ADAM YAX not yaks!

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The Onion.

–FCOD

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[QUOTE=adam yax]
You can also find news sources that quote The Onion, doesn’t mean the stories are true.
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What is the Onion you reference? My brothers friend started a school mag…read below, way down in this thread so I don’t repeat myself…I see you are on right now.. thanks! (or is that way back up in this thread? look for ignorant, but learning posts.!

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I don’t think this condom would bring up any legal issues not already brought up by other weapons. Yeah, sure a wearer could trick someone into consensual sex with them in order to mangle their penis, but the same woman could also grab a knife and stab the man.

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[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom]
The Onion.

–FCOD
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Oh! Thanks! Got the link! It’s the newspaper, true or not! Thanks

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[QUOTE=Lama Pacos]
I don’t think this condom would bring up any legal issues not already brought up by other weapons. Yeah, sure a wearer could trick someone into consensual sex with them in order to mangle their penis, but the same woman could also grab a knife and stab the man.
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Isn’t that a bit like lying in wait for the thief you know will be breaking in? Or rigging your door to shoot your shotgun if someone enters when you don’t expect anyone? There was the case or cases of just such events where the person protecting their “property” in such a manner is guilty of " premeditated" anything!–whatever it is!

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You (generally) cannot set lethal traps for those who break into your house. This situation is likely to be treated very differently, as it is a crime against the person, not property, and also because the victim of the crime is by its very nature present.

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[QUOTE=ignorant, but learning]
Hey, Adam yaks, you mentioned “The Onion”. When I was a kid in 60’s & 70’s, somewhere in the early 70’s, or '69, my brothers friend started a "school “paper”–more like a mini magazine…it was called “The Onion”—. Does that “magazine” still exist? or to what , so coincidentally, are you referring? It was a fictional hippie type psychedelic construction paper freehand (what other kind is there?) artwork and handprint look. I know I’m rambling, but my question is…What is YOUR Onion? And where can I see it? Thanks, ignorant, but learning!
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There’s a teeny, tiny, nationwide weekly spoof newspaper called The Onion:

It’s pretty much on par (and with the same level of national recognition) as Comedy Central’s The Daily Show.

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[QUOTE=villa]
You (generally) cannot set lethal traps for those who break into your house. This situation is likely to be treated very differently, as it is a crime against the person, not property, and also because the victim of the crime is by its very nature present.
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True, but you have something on your person which will maim, not just protect you from–the unknown. Chances are-- you WON’T be raped, so to walk around with a f/condom in-with teeth, no less-- just daring someone to penetrate you! Not like you can mace them and run away!..seems more like (pardon the pun) “entrapment” (haha)–because you have to let them (or not be able to stop them from getting) that “close”! Unfortunately a woman can cry rape and it’s TRUE no matter if it is or not!–but if you are wearing such a condom, wouldn’t that be like aggravated assault?? You KNOW you are going to hurt them. Before they get to hurt you. CAN you have self defense PRIOR to the act of aggression?

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[QUOTE=Roboto]
Wouldn’t they need one in both their vagina and their anus?
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I imagine that would work as well for male anus protection! :wink:

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[QUOTE=toadspittle]
There’s a teeny, tiny, nationwide weekly spoof newspaper called The Onion:

It’s pretty much on par (and with the same level of national recognition) as Comedy Central’s The Daily Show.
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thanks toad, cow sent me the link…thats where ive been till i just came back here!