Re the Chick-Fil-A "safety notice" pulling Muppet toys. Is this fake or for real?

In my experience, local governments and law enforcement agencies captured by bigotry have not waited on precedent created by progressives to trample on the civil rights of others. Indeed, they often seem surprisingly unconcerned with issues of fairness that liberals wring their hands over.

Sure, sure. But if Chik-fil-A actually is engaging in illegal, invidious discrimination (all signs point to yes, at least as to jurisdictions in which sexual orientation is protected), then the motives of the regulators are not at issue.

Tell me about it – did you know the Peach shake just came back on the menu?

–Cliffy

Close, so close.

Damn! There goes the coffee up my nose! :eek::smiley:

In addition to pissing me off due to the bigotry, this whole deal pisses me off because I would patronize CFA a lot otherwise, and I resent being put in a position where I feel I must deny myself the benefits they offer because they are such assholes about gay marriage.

Our local restaurant is staffed almost exclusively with very friendly, helpful people (at a fast food restaurant!), it’s clean, the food is decent to good, they have an indoor play area we can use when it’s 200 degrees out, and they have an easily accessible, readable chart that shows what allergens are in what dishes. They tend to offer books and cool stuff like the Henson puppets rather than the plastic crap my kids get at McDonalds and strew around the house.

With the allergy thing being a new feature in my life, I was considering that the benefits might outweigh their second-hand relationship to bigotry through Winshape. But no, Dan had to go and destroy any possible rationalization on my part. Fuck him.

Really? Aren’t there at least 750,000 gay people in Alabama, and that many more people who are merely kindly disposed to them?

Or do gay people just get out of the state as soon as they can? (I know this sounds snarky, but it’s an honest question.)

Well, if 10% of the population is gay, that would make about 480,000 in Alabama. Having lived here all my life, I would guess that the majority of people in Alabama have roughly the same opinion about homosexuals (and atheists) as they do about murderers, rapists and child molesters. I have no statistics or poll results to back this up, just personal observation.
I drove past one of the local Chick-Fil-A drive thru locations this morning and it was packed. There were probably about twenty cars in both of the lanes. It certainly didn’t look like they were lacking customers. Honestly, I don’t know if any of the negative publicity will affect their business here, but I don’t think it will have any measureable effect. Again, this is just observation and anecdotal evidence on my part.
Sampiro could give a much better answer about the perception of the gay population in Alabama, but I don’t know if he has weighed in on this issue yet on here.

I’m betting the controversy will actually boost their business in the Deep South. Whether or not that is off-set by the loss of business in the rest of the country will be difficult to determine for a few months.

If you’re looking for alternatives to CFA’s “Original” Chicken Sandwich, they do have a mediocre-but-passable chicken sandwich at McDonald’s. Also, the otherwise revolting Church’s Chicken chain has a pretty decent facsimile of the CFA Original, at least down here in Texas.

Say, if I donate $1000 right now to a pro-LGBT charity can I go ahead and continue eating CFA every month or so for the next few years? I could go as high as $2500 by debit card right this instant if you guys can give me the moral green-light.

Right. In the areas where CfA is well-established, the prevailing opinion seems to be that they’re clearly superior to other fast-food outlets in product, service and accommodation. Whatever their “franchise” policies are, they seem to yield good results, as far as customers are concerned. Their location managers may not be actual owners, but they seem to care more about how their restaurants are perceived than the average McDonald’s franchise owner does.

Honestly, I expect that many of those people eat at Chick-fil-A at similar rates to everybody else. (I’m not in Alabama, but fried chicken is popular and gay marriage is constitutionally prohibited round here too.) No doubt some of them will, like Cinnamon, regretfully ditch the place after this latest round of publicity. But I sure wouldn’t count on all of them doing so; for some, what you actually get in the restaurant is still going to matter more than the somewhat abstract question of where some of the company’s donations go.

Thanks for the warning - I set down my drink before clicking on the link! Took me most of a minute to stop laughing out loud.

Boy, all this love for middlin’ sandwiches and those god-awful waffle-fries. I sincerely hope no one REALLY has to struggle with the choice between that crappy food and their ethics. I mean, if you don’t care, that’s one thing, but if you DO care and you still eat there, what’s that say about you? You’re not facing rubber bullets or tear gas, you’re facing the prospect of doing without one particular fast food sandwich. If that’s a genuine dilemma, no wonder the world’s in the shape it is. If you can’t put down a friggin’ sandwich for your beliefs. . .what the hell, man.

What’s your favorite fried chicken sandwich?

The one that doesn’t make money for people who then give it to causes I strongly object to. it’s a freakin’ fast-food sandwich. It’s not as though it’s something important, like pizza. :smiley:

There may be a few hundred thousand gays in Alabama alone, but don’t understimate apathy. I have strong views on social issues, but that doesn’t influence where I shop. Now that GM has come out in favor of gay marriage is that really going to hurt the sale of Cheerios among evangelical christians? Even if a store has a “no guns” sign on the front door I’ll still shop there. IMHO shopping and eating out suck enough without making things harder.

I doubt Alabama’s gay population is remotely close to the 750,000 number- that would be 15% of the population, which would mean some kind of causal link between Crisco and gay sex other than as a cheap lube- but it’s in the many thousands obviously. Gay culture here is sort of interesting: there’s a loud minority of Übergays ([i.e. the pursemouths- they take the visiblity overboard and every damned thing they own has a rainbow on it at some point), something frequently associated with college age newly out gay kids but here many of them are middle aged (or older) gays who were very closeted (sometimes married) during their youths and are making up lost time. And then there are a lot of people like I am- pretty much 100% open and if they feel like making an unapologetically gay Facebook post they will but usually they don’t because they don’t feel like it, and then there’s an enormous invisible culture that ranges the gamut from secret allies to the LGBT causes to the most gay-hating self-loathing stereotypes you can imagine.

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Say, if I donate $1000 right now to a pro-LGBT charity can I go ahead and continue eating CFA every month or so for the next few years? I could go as high as $2500 by debit card right this instant if you guys can give me the moral green-light.
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Personally, speaking only for myself, I don’t give a fuck if you eat there or not. I don’t see this as some latter day auxiliary of the Montgomery Bus Boycott; the latter involved thousands of people being legally forced to financially support their own systemic and legalized degraded treatment on the public transportation that their finances made possible and on which their livelihoods depended and the former has to do with pickle flavored chicken. In fact I expect this Wednesday to be a record setting sales day for Chick-Fil-A due to the masses of asses who, impotent as a 94 year old man with no prostate in a room full of rotting meat in almost every other aspect of their lives of loud desperation may somehow see this as validation and effectiveness. This will not be the end of Chick Fil A, nor do I much care if it is.

I will never spend money there again. I find the fact that they contribute money to organizations that disseminate completely and demonstrably false information about gays being child molesters or to places like Exodus that teach gays self-hatred is the only way to Jesus and that is something I will never knowingly support. At the same point, I wear clothes that I’ve no doubt were made in Hell-on-Earth sweatshops and do unnecessary driving even though I know what oil in general is doing to the environment and what the need for foreign oil is doing to the economy and foreign relations and I eat meat even though I know the animals were almost certainly raised in execrable and inhumane conditions and I have worked for any number of places that I found ethically reprehensible in their policies, so I’m sure as fuck not going to judge you or anybody else for eating a pickled chicken breast sandwich and waffle fries.
We all make our own policies and priorities about what we will and won’t support; my own money is all I control and all I seek to control.

I’ve spent so damned much time writing my opinions on the matter on various Facebook pages the last few days (though, I say with an embarrassing degree of pride, I’ve gotten a cumulative total of more than 1,000 likes to my comments) that I won’t spend anymore here other than to say I think I’ve seen every logical fallacy conceivable committed by both sides and a few that are brand new, and that the two things that I find the most ridiculous are

1- *“The president of Chick Fil A voiced his opinion when asked, that’s called free speech, I guess some people are against that!” nonsense. *
In addition to the fact that so many people (on the right this time, but the left is just as bad) seems to have no fucking clue what “freedom of speech” means (hint: it does not now/never has/was not intended to mean “You can say anything you want without any kind of negative backwash from anybody”- which in fact would be the opposite of free speech because it would mean people were being forbiddent to respond to it], it’s not his comments alone that piss me off, it’s the millions of dollars to anti-gay causes. As for the calling people intolerant for acting against something they find intolerant, in the first place I can live with that just fine and in the second I guess that means Rosa Parks was the most intolerant bitch in Montgomery history as far as these people are concerned. (Actually, it wouldn’t surprise me if many of them did believe that, but I digress.) Though I will say his comments would be enough for me personally to never eat there again- it’s a neener-neener that I’m not going to put up with; if he had given a nicely worded statement saying “I love black people and would never treat them unfairly, but personally I believe in white supremacy” or “I would never discriminate against a Jew, I just think they go to hell for not believing in Christ” I doubt anybody but the superfanatics would be defending him, but of course faggots are the last acceptable scapegoat so they’ve got to fight like hell to keep us.

2- Gays cheering that Boston and Chicago have taken measures to stop Chick Fil A from opening there.

Fucking mongoloids all-ah-yah’s if you don’t see the problem with this one. If Nashville or Charleston SC used official power to ban a Ben & Jerry’s or a Levi Strauss & Co. store from opening because those companies are gay friendly you’d be furious (and have every right to be). This is a very bad thing with potentially terrible repercussions. Ironically I associate Chick-Fil-A sandwiches with gay marriages: if you’re against them then don’t get one but don’t stop anybody else from having one.

A chunk of Publix fried chicken shoved into some fresh bread. Maybe a little coleslaw in there but it isn’t necessary.

You strongly implied you know of a better one. I’m now dissappointed. :(:wink:

Since I didn’t see it mentioned in the thread, Don Perry- Chick Fil A’s VP of PR, died of a heart attack this past week during the controversy. I take no pleasure in his death and hope his family is allowed to mourn in peace.

That said, if it had been somebody vocal against Chick Fil A who had died of a heart attack, can you even freaking imagine how many people on Camp Picklechicken would be yelling “God’s will! God is great! God is good! Let us thak him for killing protests of our food!”

I’m also surprised there aren’t more divorced and remarried Christians- of which there is ABSOLUTELY NO shortage down here, protesting since Cathy also implied he frowns on that. Of course those prohibitions are pretty much overlooked all the time. (Go to Christian Mingle to “find God’s match for you” and they have more divorced singled parents than any other kind of users.)

Sorry about that. I promise to report any likely candidates here forthwith, should I find any. I don’t eat a lot of fast food though, so factor that into your expectations :slight_smile:

As so often happens, Sampiro has the last, best words on the subject.