Recs: style and location-heavy neo noir after "Twin Peaks" and "Heavy Rain"

“Twin Peaks” and “Heavy Rain” are both neo-noir things that willfully play around with all of the classical tropes of noir - hard-boiled detectives, shady ladies, a dreamlike atmosphere, a strong sense of atmosphere and place. I love these things in any medium, whether it be TV, movies, video games, or novels. I’d also include movies like “Dark City,” “Brick,” and Haruki Murakami’s earlier Chandler-inspired detective books, though those are almost too Japanese for this category, which tends to be uniquely occidental.

I’d like more of this sort of thing, but am having trouble finding it - especially novels. Help!

I get the feeling that the forthcoming Stephen King-inspired Haven will be much like that. From what I saw on a new commercial the other night, that chick getting out of the car turns out to be some kind of agent.

Not so much from the noir angle, but more from the “wetness” angle, you might read Ebert’s review of Three Days of Rain which I thought was at least a *** movie. If the wetness thing is among your criteria, I could suggest some others.

As for the noir angle by itself, it’s going to be hard to beat L.A. Confidential (1997) and Mulholland Falls (1996)

Hell, just the music from mulholland falls part 1.1 ought to give you the proper feel for it. I love Grusin’s touch for that era.

I trust you’ve seen Chinatown, right?

Jonathan Lethem’s novel Motherless Brooklyn might be up your alley.

For a futuristic take on noir, you gotta see Blade Runner.

The Third Man (1949)
Before you ask, it’s a zither.

Following (1998)
It’s a bit slow, but, really worth it. This movie truly pays off at the end.

Of course! And the only other movie I can bring back to mind with a “wetness” factor (whether or not the noir thing is there, too) is the Mickey Rourke and Kim Basinger sexfest 9 1/2 Weeks which basically drips off the screen.

But do be sure to avoid Waterworld which in spite of a wetness factor has almost nothing else to recommend it except it will put you into a coma.

However an old rainy movie from the “film noir” era is Miss Sadie Thompson (1953) AKA Rain.

For plot and historical atmosphere, I recommend the Berlin Noir series by Philip Kerr:

Noir detectives - and Nazis. What more could anyone want?

The three following the original trilogy are, if anything, even better.

Mickey Rourke and neo-noir being mentioned without a shout to ‘Angel Heart’? For shame.

For shame, indeed! Other Rourke noirs worth at least a read of a review would include:

Body Heat (1981) (first time I saw Rourke)
White Sands (1992) (the antithesis of wetness)

And two Japanese themed noirish goodies:

The Yakuza (1974)
Black Rain (1989/I)

Hopefully it’s not too much of a hijack, but what other neo-noir films would you recommend to someone who really dug Brick and the “Brown Bettie” episode of Fringe?

An absolute must-see are the following two related movies set in a Chandlerish 1940s LA where magic is real and accepted and HP Lovecraft is a hardbitten cop (played in the first by Fred Ward and in the sequel by Dennis Hopper).

Cast A Deadly Spell

Witch Hunt

Great recs in here - some of which I’ve seen and love (“Blade Runner,” for example). For those of you talking about “wetness” and water, maybe you misunderstood - “Heavy Rain” is a really great, style-heavy video game in the neo noir mode.

What about novels?

Don’t forget radio: Guy Noir, Private Eye!

Check this out: List of film noir. (Filmes noir? Filmes noires? Who here knows French?) There’s gotta be at least 500 entries there.

I’m embarrassed to admit that I thought you meant Hard Rain (1998). My bad.