So then since you think the Nation of Islam and possibly Louis Farrakhan were behind the murder of Malcolm X in front of his wife and children why weren’t you disgusted by the way African-Americans who claimed they saw Malcolm X as a hero fawned all over Louis Farrakhan?
Yeah, it sure is terrible that white people ask blacks to disclose their race. Making them take a blood test to prove their racial purity is so much more civilised.
To be fair, the United States did settle up with Great Britain following the Revolutionary War up to an including reparation payments to British subjects.
Hell, I want reparations from the US for stealing those colonies from Britain!
While we’re at it, I think the Welsh want reparations from Ireland for the sub-Roman slave raids…
As a descendant of the Irish, where every man was a king … someone owes me a kingdom.
As a Irish Jew from Guam I want to be put on the Endangered Species List so that I can live wherever I want and no one can threaten me.
Yeah, but you’ll end up with an ear tag and radio tracking collar that way.
Ohhh, kinky! Let’s do it!
I just want to say that this is the silliest thing ever. You really only think you’ve experienced racism in the United States if you haven’t seen how black folks are treated in Russia or China. Yes, it’s possible that the Latin American countries would be OK - though even there one finds that how one is treated varies based on skin tone - but in Russia or China it is - in my experience - a great deal like the US in the 40s.
Yes, your thesis about nations wanting to embarass the US might be true, but that wouldn’t mean one tinkers damn to day to day life and interactions with the general public.
Also, let’s not make this personal. Address the argument, not the arguer.
No warning issued but further such from anyone might earn some.
Fox News could spin this positively by stating that the reduction of African-Americans will lead to increased jobs thus alleviating the recession. Moreoever, Fox News could emphasize that is a victory against Affirmative Action, the Voting Rights Act, and the Civil Rights Act. No longer shall businesses be forced to serve blacks. They could have analysts that anticipate the reparation program will lead to a precipitous drop in crime over X amount years, etc etc.
Aww, this warms my heart. It does. But, unfortunately, most of the electorate wants black people to leave. Why else do they complain and whine about Affirmative Action, the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act? The whole American historical experience has boiled down to small but substantial amount of whites who regard blacks as people vs the majority of whites who do not. It’s silly. Simply remove the blacks from the equation.
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So then since you think the Nation of Islam and possibly Louis Farrakhan were behind the murder of Malcolm X in front of his wife and children why weren’t you disgusted by the way African-Americans who claimed they saw Malcolm X as a hero fawned all over Louis Farrakhan?
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If there is evidence that the Nation of Islam was behind his death then I 100% support a FBI investigation into it. I am not disgusted by Malcolm X supporters aligning themselves with Louis Farrakhan. Like Malcolm, Louis Farrakhan was one of the few voices that made a biting remark with a smile. Look at this clip where Farrakhan pwns Mike Wallace. There hasn’t been a black voice since him, unfortunately.
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Yeah, it sure is terrible that white people ask blacks to disclose their race. Making them take a blood test to prove their racial purity is so much more civilised.
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You’re comparing reality to the hypothetical requirement for a reparation program. The point was that whites won’t need to complain about Affirmative Action if they simply quit asking blacks to reveal our race every time we piss or sneeze. Take the Census Bureau. The Constitution says to take a head count every ten years. So what does the Census Bureau do? They take in ethnic data, which is then published, and used by politicians to gerrymander the black vote into non-existence. I am sure it’s also used by prospective homeowners and businesses to self-segregate themselves away from areas where blacks live, thus contributing to the cycle of poverty. It’s unfair and collecting and releasing that data is beyond the Bureau’s constitutional mandate (IMO). The same goes with employers, businesses, and hospitals that collect ethnic data with or without permission. Either get rid of the boxes or stop complaining.
Show us actual evidence that most of the electorate wants the former and does the latter. Cite, please.
Let’s see your evidence that the majority of whites do not see blacks as human.
No, as a matter of fact they don’t.
Regards,
Shodan
I think you’re reading of the electorate is factually wrong, and you’re overestimating the size of the bigoted part of the US by a significant amount. If you have evidence, please present it.
I will freely confess that I’ll never understand the people who so revere Malcolm X they’re inspired to put up a thread on his assassination yet also revere the leader of organization that murdered him, particularly when that same man enthusiastically endorsed Malcolm’s murder.
Now, Honesty, since you also profess to admire Farrakhan and find him to be a “voice” we need, then do you also agree with his comments about Jews being “bloodsuckers” who’ve been “exploiting the black community”, “owned 75% of all slaves” “murdered Jesus” and should be “punished” for these crimes, when he’s not having his flunkies pass out copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion at rallies.
To me he’s clearly an anti-Semitic moron.
You obviously disagree. Please explain why claiming The Proticols of the Elders of Zion is the truth, that Jews are “bloodsuckers” who “murdered Jesus” isn’t anti-Semitic claptrap.
Thanks in advance.
Please explain why
Uh, white flight is the evidence and electorate cries of wanting their “country back” during the 2010 and 2012 Election were quite apparent.
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Now, Honesty, since you also profess to admire Farrakhan and find him to be a “voice” we need, then do you also agree with his comments about Jews being “bloodsuckers” who’ve been “exploiting the black community”, “owned 75% of all slaves” “murdered Jesus” and should be “punished” for these crimes, when he’s not having his flunkies pass out copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion at rallies.
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I don’t know anything about that and, frankly, given my history on this board, I’d rather not talk about anything regarding the Jewish people or Israel.
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Let’s see your evidence that the majority of whites do not see blacks as human.
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Your posts.
- Honesty
That’s evidence that some people are bigots. It’s not evidence that the majority are. Do you have any evidence that more than 50% of Americans are bigots?
What he is asking for are cites providing actual evidence of what you are talking about. Not rumors, not “everyone says”, not ideas you have dreamed up.
I’m sorry, but this comment is laughable. Europe has been turning very hostile towards immigration so the idea that any of their countries would want to take in over 30 million African-Americans is quite silly.
Canada is relatively open to immigration but anyone who’s tried immigrating there would happily tell you that it’s not easy at all and the idea that a country of roughly 15 million would happily take in 30 million is beyond stupid.
I’m not sure why you think Venezuela or Argentina could afford or want this.
Russia and China are both vastly more racist than the US so neither strike me as the kind of countries to go to if you’re looking to escape racism.
Finally Iran.
With all due respect, do you know anything about Iran and what would possibly make you feel that you’d find any substantial percentage of African-Americans who’d want to go there?
I assume you’re aware that most African-Americans are Christians and that Christianity is important to them. Do you want me to go into detail about how Christians are treated in Iran? To give just one obvious example, how many African-Americans are going to want to go there when they find out that building churches there is so difficult legally that I don’t think a single one has been built since the Revolution.
Moreover, if African-Americans decided to live there they’d be living under Iranian law. You’ve whined about how horrible you feel American drug laws are; have you the slightest idea how much more strict they are in Iran and what happens to people convicted of drug crimes?
Beyond that, I’m sure you’re aware that nearly two thirds of all African-American children are born out of wedlock. You do realize that in Iran things like fornication, adultery and giving birth out of wedlock are not just seen as sins but crimes for which the punishments are extremely severe, and the legal system, if anything, is much harsher on Christians than Muslims.
“If”? :dubious:
Er… you do realize the men who murdered him were members of the Nation don’t you? You do realize he’d broken with the Nation because he didn’t like Elijah Muhammad screwing young women and was pissing them off by repeatedly attacking Elijah Muhammad for doing so?
Really?:dubious:
You’re unaware of Farrakhan’s long history of bigotry against Jews?:dubious:
That’s a bit like saying you didn’t know that David Duke has often been accused of racism.
For that matter, in that silly little clip you pointed to were Mike Wallace makes Farrakhan look like a hypocrite his anti-semitism is mentioned.
I have no idea what you’re talking about, but I do find your jump to “Israel” quite telling to be more than a little weird since I mentioned nothing about Israel, just Farrakhan’s claims about Jews being behind the slave trade, “bloodsuckers”, and the people who “murdered Jesus”. What any of that has to do with Israel I don’t know.
Anyway, I don’t see what your “history on this board” has to do with the question of whether or not those statements are anti-Semitic or not.
Do you think Farrakhan’s claims that Jews owned the majority of slaves was anti-Semitic bullshit?
Do you think his claims that the Jews murdered Jesus was anti-Semitic bullshit?
Do you think his claim that Jews were “bloodsuckers” who “lived off the black community” was anti-Semitic claptrap?
Do you think his claim that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was true was anti-Semitic crap?
Thanks in advance.