Yes, i counted that one. I only count each one once.
In no case did I count anybody who cheered, liked, applauded or otherwise endorsed any instance already described.
This is extremely weak.
Like I said:
understand that the enemy hates you, encourages violence against you, wishes you didn’t exist, and has contempt for anyone who insists on public accountability.
I know you all want to believe that we live the times of normal, and that we can just show up and vote, and out-vote the opposition. But many of us who try to vote won’t even exist due to deliberate attempts to rig democracy.
Martin Luther King and Ghandi laid out the example for all, in those times when “the law” and “the order” don’t recognize your basic rights as humans.
Refuse to be governed. Refuse to be led. Only be led by those who are righteous and just.
Wisdom has been spoken.
So the Republican POTUS praising violence in a national broadcast setting is the same as some random “leftist” on Youtube? :smack:
And a scorpion’s role is to be ugly and venomous. Doesn’t get a choice. Breitbart does it to cash checks.
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Bolding mine. Yes, so can I, heh. 
Before you complained that it was 2 against 1, now you’re comparing 2 against a right wing media company that has staffers and readers compiling a database of incidents.
Vote republican. Please, just to spare us all this bullshit.
At least then we can hammer the everloving fuck out of you for every single instance of Republican led hatred and wrongdoing and you don’t get to fall back on your “anti-trump” vote two years ago.
Haven’t started it yet. Looking for a graphic designer and illustrator who can make interesting cover art, like some redneck drinking his own piss.
So let’s recap:
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A bunch of Dems/libs hanging out in the echo chamber of their left wing message board, congratulating themselves on what wonderful enlightened, correct people they are, in a thread, about how Republicans can go to hell.
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Someone shows up, and points out what is perfectly obvious to literally everybody outside of their narrow, carefully constructed, insular world, that is: the overwhelming partisan hate and violence in this country is coming from the left and directed at those on the right.
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Guys on the left say “no way. Just know way. We know that’s not true
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So a couple of links are posted showing and the suggestion is made to go out and actually take a look. They go and gather up their evidence and post it, and the person that made the suggestion even helps them.
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Their evidence is actually pretty weak; a couple of politicians getting into a scuffle, an obviously hyperbolous threat, stuff like that
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The evidence on the other side, includes a bunch of Republican officials getting shot at at a baseball game, getting punched, attacked with knives, having them and their kids doxxed, leaders of their own party including Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, and Hillary Clinton openly calling on their supporters to openly follow harass and target their opposition so that they can’t go to public places and live their lives, instances of vandalism, threats of rape videotaped, acts of violence caught on film and taped, bullying, harassing.
These incidents are reported on CNN, Fox News, WaPo, NYT, San Diego Reader, Capitol Newsletter, and virtually every other news and media outlet across the political spectrum. There are links to the actual news stories with accompanying video and/or photos in a high percentage of these stories, all of which occurred in the last two years. A bunch of the are compiled on a right wing media site, which is probably where you would expect.
The final tally is 32 to 1.
- The response is “we will say that that the guys hosting the data are white supremacists, say “but Trump.” And refuse to look at any of it. We will just pretend it’s no there.” Of course, this is a tactic that is widely used by authoritarian groups not interested in anything that contradicts their worldview. “Ve do not need to zee your evidence, Scweinhunde. It is no good. It is Jewish evidence.”
The very second I saw this, I knew exactly the kind of bullshit you were going to pull. In a fucking orchard of cherries that spans from Florida to California, you couldn’t find as much cherry picking as you’ve done here to serve whatever inane point you wanted to make.
I do think this is my favorite though. While I am more than willing to applaud someone who, later in life, discovers things like morals and concern from others, I can’t help buy laugh at your sudden concern for other people that just started happening in 2016. Nevermind the large numbers of Democrats who were threatened or abused when they were in power and passed Obamacare; it takes out Obama, who received 400% as many death threats as Dubya Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service, and it takes out the decades long constant threats and violence to disenfranchise blacks. That is amazingly convenient for you for. And the cherry on top is that your setting of date just so happens to coincide with the dates one of the most biased, racist, and lying sites on the entire web happens to provide for you. Funny how that works, isn’t it.
So, congratulations, I guess, on discovering a fucking conscience in 2016 and deciding that now, NOW is the time that threats and violence matter most to you.
Pathetic.
Why?
If you’re concern is violence and threats by one political side, why are you only including politicians in your magical algorithm? Does your newfound, overriding concern for humans being the subject of violence and threats only apply to political figures for any particular reason? Are politicians more important than everyday citizens? Or could it be that … gasp … you need to try and handwave away the hundreds of attacks the right wing commits against normal people and focus on politicians because that’s where your cite fits in best?
I know the real answer.
A “threat” is whatever you choose it to be. Got it. Great standard right there.
SHOCKING!!! Of all the revelations I’ve had in this thread, this is the one that just blows my mind. I never, EVER would have guessed that you would need to somehow get rid of them to even come close enough to allow you to pretend that you proved point. Remember when I said the part where you just now discovered your concern about threats and violence was my favorite part of your bullshit framing? I think this one is even better. Just the sheer audacity to simply wave away the biggest committers of the very crimes and threats you are concerned about is really fucking impressive. The incredibly weaselyness of it is not as impressive.
Of course they do. Nazis no, but antifa yes. Amazing work there.
No. I won’t play your bullshit game anymore. You simply ignore anything that doesn’t fit your made up definitions, you hand wave away hundreds of violent crimes committed by the right wing, and you do so all to chase a pre-arrived to claim that you just arrived at this year and was willing to ignore anytime prior to this.
You’re a magician, asking someone to pick card, then removing every card except the 7 of clubs and guessing that’s the one. And then patting yourself on the back and pretending you’re amazing.
We cited actual statistics (not ridiculous conspiracy-theory website lists that fabricate, exaggerate, and rely on mostly feeble sources) from real news and data organizations that showed that, in fact, left-wing violence is not on the rise, right-wing terrorism and violence vastly outnumbers left wing terrorism and violence, both in the past and present. That’s much, much more solid evidence then, at best, a list of poorly cited anecdotes. Right-wing terrorists harm and kill far, far more people than left-wing terrorists in America.
But we all know how you’re going to vote – you just want to find a way to justify it and blame the left. Go right ahead. We know it’s bullshit, but you’re going to do what you want to do.
Yes. Let’s.
A dude on a message board is searching for a reason not to stop supporting the Republican despite knowing and objecting to (on a small level) the current President. This dude is seriously struggling, because he wants to be admired or thought of as honorable, but that’s a really tough sell with the current state of the Republican party. He doesn’t want to just say “tax breaks are good” or “Republican justices on the Supreme Court” and call it a day, so he searches high and low (mostly low). Then, as he is wont to do, he hears one of the latest talking points from the right wing that Democrats are a mob, violent and threatening, the skies part, and he has his conclusion all set. So he posts about his newly discovered concern against violence, and is suddenly met with resistance, complete with cites that show things are not as he thought.
How can this be, he asks himself? Breitbart wouldn’t lie to me.
So he has to do something, anything to try and justify his newly discovered concern for others (mostly politicians).
So he cherry picks standards, handwaves away hundreds of examples that prove him wrong, and manipulates the data (data provided to him ever so conveniently by a right wing source) in a vain effort to pretend he has a point and that, in the end, he’s ever so smart and ever so honorable.
Then, he gloats. Sure, almost everyone has seen through his pathetic attempt, but that doesn’t matter. None of the hundreds of examples or the massive amount of work it would take to counter his preconceived conclusion, will matter. He has declared himself winner in a battle where he made the rules, rejected almost all the cites of the other side that show him wrong, and crowned himself king.
Like I said, go vote Republican. You’re looking for any excuse possible to vote for them, so GO!
Just don’t come back here later and say you were forced to vote that way by bad Democrat behavior. You go vote for them, you own them, you’re with them every step of the way. Rising deficits, cutting benefits, tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, detention camps, purged voters, neo-nazi defenders, you get to own it all.
You’re just crying out for the chance to support them, without having to say that you support the things they’re doing.
We’re not going to let you do that. This little charade you’re putting on, letting us all know that you HATE all the horrible things the Reps are doing, but the Dems are just so much worse that you HAVE to vote Republican. We’re not buying it.
I did this in your thread, in an environment hostile to my ideas. I asked your help. Every incident detailed has a direct link to the actual coverage.
The question that I ask myself is this:
“What quantity and quality of evidence, what standard of proof will convince them?”
This part is not hard. It’s out there and easily accessible. All you have to do is look at it.
The answer though is:
“Nothing. There is no evidence, no standard of proof that will suffice. They have belief, not reason.”
Well done.
We showed you actual statistics. Real, hard data – not just a series of poorly cited anecdotes. Crime and murder and violence statistics. And they run exactly the opposite of your suppositions – they show that left-wing violence has not increased, and in fact right-wing violence far outnumbers left-wing violence.
This shouldn’t surprise you – the “Democrats are a violent mob” is just a political messaging thing. It’s not based on facts. Same with Breitbart – they don’t report based on facts, they “report” based on an agenda. Why would you be surprised if a political party’s messaging turns out to run counter to the facts?
No. You didn’t. I actually looked at your links and studied them. They didn’t contain actual statistics, and they didn’t actually address the issue.
I was talking about the rise and violence and hate speech from the left, targeting the right since roughly 2016.
What I assume you are referring to is a new summary of an abstract looking at domestic terrorism from 2015 and prior. You produced a different thing from a different time period.
The other report, presented by Hamlet was also outside of the timeline Iirc, didn’t contain actual statistics and described the increase in violence and violent rhetoric from left wing extremists as. “Concerning.”
I actually look at evidence when it is presented.
A fair standard. One that you don’t handwave away the hundreds of violent episodes that the right wing commit. One where your concern about violence or threats doesn’t magically appear within days of it becoming a right wing talking point and isn’t just some bullshit rationalization that you created to convince yourself that it’s OK to support Republicans. One where you don’t define all the terms, reject anything that shows you wrong out of hand, and you set all the rules.
As I said before, I denounce all acts of violence and threats done by liberals. And you’re right, to a point, it’s getting worse. The rhetoric and tribalism in this country is at a peak, and it’s a bit scary now that a tiny minority of liberals have adopted what the right wing has been doing for decades. But your fake concern and pretending that you have a point when you set all the rules is transparent. And sad.
And…
You really can’t have it both ways. You can’t refuse to look at a link and criticize its contents. You can only choose one.
I’ve already told you what the link contains 4-5 times. You are insisting it is something else without looking at it. This is asinine. Nor is it the first time this has happened in this thread.
We all struggle with pre-conceived notions. You guys are actually fighting to defend them, aggressively not considering evidence.
Then you missed the following links:
The first shows that last year, 2/3rds of US terrorism was tied to right wing extremists. The 2nd shows that white supremacist murders in 2017 doubled, and that far-right murders outnumbered all other extremist murders.
That’s real data and real evidence, that apparently you missed or glossed over. It shows that in the last year, far-right extremists were significantly more violent than far-left, and indeed any other group of extremists. That’s facts and data gathered by professionals, not right-wing propaganda and political messaging.
Again, I read your links carefully to see what I could include. They both mention the incident in Charlottesville, which I counted.
If a you neo nazi is harassing two girls, and then stabs somebody who tries to stop him, do you think I should count that? Is that politically motivated or is that a sick kid committing a crime?
How about a white supremacist stabbing a black man? Is this hate from the right?
So, I tried to give you every point I could.
There are indeed some terrible incidents there. The idea that you can lay all racism at the feet of Republicans is insane.
I also didn’t count any terrorist attacks from leftist sources unless they were clearly targeting sources on the right.
Like I said, I looked at your links. You didn’t look at mine. Attempting to color the long-standing human problem of racial hatred as a Republican problem is shitty beyond belief.
Do you want me to count the holocaust, too?