Or even being aware that trans was even something they could identify as, as opposed to believing they struggled alone with a deviant mindset that was unique to them.
(To be clear I’m not calling transgenderism deviant. I’m just remarking that someone who was struggling with it on their own without societal recognition might view themselves that way.)
In these conversations folks often bring up left-handedness over the first half of the 20th century.
Were there fewer left-handed people in 1905 versus 1975? No, there were more left-handed people who were forced to learn to use their right hand instead, because favoring your left hand was considered wrong. Weirdly enough, when you stop persecuting and punishing people for living a certain way, the number of people who live that way goes up. People tend to be right-handed more than left-handed, so once it got a bit above 10% of the population, it stopped rising. Similarly, people tend to identify as the gender that matches their sexual characteristics, so the number of transgender people will also reach its true value and stop rising further.
It’s not a plague of wokeness corrupting and confusing our youth, it’s just people getting to live the way that feels correct to them for the first time.
Typical left-wing propaganda.
Really sinister.
Why shouldn’t they, if they want to? Insincere apologies on the part of public figures for transgressions that they’re not genuinely sorry for, but that they don’t want their popularity to suffer for, are no new thing.
Of course I’m not advocating for Soviet-style “show trials” where people who publicly say things that many other people find offensive are legally coerced into making a public apology for them. Nor do I object if anybody wants to call an insincere apologizer a coward or a hypocrite for repudiating their previously expressed beliefs.
But if I were one of the people being attacked in the public figure’s statements, I think I’d prefer an insincere apology to no apology. Plenty of strangers who’ve shoved me in a crowd haven’t felt any particular regret for that, either, but I still prefer it when they mutter an insincere “sorry”.
I am discussing what the Mayo Clinic article actually said. It explained exactly what the problem was: that sometimes the skin might not grow as much. Skin is tissue, so there’s no contradiction. But, even if we do assume that it is the genitals themselves, even your citation specifies exactly why that is a problem. And that problem is what I said. If there were other problems, it would need to say so.
I am not going to imagine any other problems, because those problems would be things I made up, not things that actual experts have stated. Why in the world as an ally would I go out of my way to assume problems that I don’t have proof exist?
Your UK cite is actually less sure of problems. It says that the situation is unclear, while the Mayo Clinic citation admits they happen. It’s not further evidence of anything.
Like I said, you’re not a medical expert. You don’t know more than the medical experts, so you shouldn’t be lecturing them. You’re not trans, so you shouldn’t lecture trans people or trans allies on what they should do. That’s what the transphobes do. It’s wrong with evolution. It’s wrong with COVID, and it’s wrong here.
Instead of trying to figure out ways that they’re all wrong, you should be acting like an ally, and echoing what they say. Not assuming you know more than them.
I hate that I even had to spell that out.
It was more a Why are they insincerely apologizing so they can keep being popular.
What do you all think of Scott Newgent(sp?)
I meant everyone, but I suppose people in this thread would be a start. Not you personally; I don’t recall specifically what you’ve said about it. But anyone pretending that the evidence is so clear and unambiguous that one can make a statement about reversibility without heavy qualification. The evidence is not clear and unambiguous. And the known side effects include ones that are not reversible.
I see; so you dismiss other cites that clarify the situation. The St. Louis cite states clearly that tissue development is a problem as well, but you choose to ignore that for unknown reasons.
None of the cites are nearly comprehensive enough that you can conclude anything about the absence of something. They mention that it is potentially an issue for further GAS. It cannot be concluded that it is not an issue in all other situations. These are basic information sheets. Since they’re from reliable sources, I don’t expect them to contain any falsehoods (nor have I implied that), but the absence of a thing says nothing.
Fuck. That. Noise. Allies don’t lie to each other. And repeating unsupported information is lying. Echo? Jesus, you’re literally calling for an echo chamber.
I’ve said nothing that isn’t found from reliable sources. I’m just not parroting the most extreme take.
I think you answered your own question there? If their apology is insincere, then yeah, they’re probably issuing it so they can (hope to) keep being popular.
I personally don’t have any particular opinion about him; I think he’s entitled to identify however he wants and support whatever policy agenda(s) he wants. As long as he’s not lying about empirical data and/or other people’s experiences—and I don’t know one way or the other whether he is—then he has the right to say what he likes. If what he likes to say involves being an asshole to other transgender people, though, then I have the right to disapprove of his behavior and express my disapproval.
However, I think you may not be entirely up to date on Newgent’s policy stance(s)? From the above link:
What do you think of Ky Schevers?
Because their jobs depend on said popularity. If enough people dislike them, they will inevitably stop watching them or buying their products. And that hurts them financially.
It’s not wrong to stop watching/buying from someone you don’t like. That’s the big issue with people complaining about cancel culture. Everyone does it at the individual level.
Just like you, the people who complain about it generally agree with the person. Or, at least, they don’t think it’s that big a deal. But then, let it be some other issue they disagree with and do think is a big deal, and they’ll do the same thing.
BTW, you are factually wrong. Trans people report knowing since they were children. Children do often know.
Granted, not all children know. And there’s nothing wrong with making sure, which is why therapy and non-permanent treatments are used.
But it is wrong to assert that children cannot know. Many do. Leave it up to the experts to decide. Despite what TERFs may tell you, the vast majority of those who do actually medically transition are happy with it. It is not something done willy nilly.
Heck, if you talk with actual trans people, you hear them talking about how it’s often more difficult than they think it should be to actually transition.
No, you didn’t.
Might be nice if you would quote people in a way that doesn’t change the actual point they’re making: Here’s what I wrote
And here is your post and how you quoted me:
On the bright side, thanks for demonstrating your penchant for dishonesty.
I did.
No need to fabricate nonsensical terms in order to feel justified in calling people names. Just let your childish and close-minded freak flag fly. It’s not others’ fault that mommy didn’t hug you enough.
Umm, what nonsensical term(s) did he fabricate???
I’m sorry, what was your point, and how do you think you were misquoted? Because my reaction to your post was pretty similar to Babale’s.
Leaving this out,
The drugs some kids are given for behavioral problems?
does have the unfortunate side-effect of making the post slightly more connected to reality.
Given the conspiracy theories about drugs some kids are given for behavioral problems.
It’s not nonsense. It just is something you either don’t want to or can’t answer. Yes, someone’s gender is separate from their sexual orientation. I’m trying to understand what it is that makes a kid “trans”, as opposed to exploring sexuality in less traditional ways.
Gender dysphoria is a real thing. Yet, according to one study, for boys who go through puberty without it being interfered with, 87.8% saw their dysphoria go away. And 63.6% grew up to be gay. So there’s seems to be a pretty strong correlation between having gender dysphoria as a kid and growing up to be gay. So I was thinking about this group and wondering what separates the ex-trans boys who grew up to be heterosexual from the ex-trans boys that grew up to be gay. Do we know?
The reason I ask this is that if it turns out that having kids who feel they are trans go through puberty eliminates their gender dysphoria, we should probably encourage having them go through puberty without drug intervention. But that would probably not be the best thing for the smaller group (12%) whose dysphoria persists after puberty. I am wondering if there is something else to look at that would identify that smaller group. If we can, it seems that we should encourage drug-free puberty for the majority, and then we can have a more targeted “trans-care” approach for the 12%. Whether that means puberty blockers or whatever else. Not only would this result in better care for those who would remain trans post-puberty, it would reduce the number of kids who transition—either in full or in part—and then realize they made a horrible mistake but can’t completely undo the surgery or the effects of puberty blockers.
Here’s a link to the page I got the information from: The Studies — 🅑🅘🅛🅛🅑🅞🅐🅡🅓 🅒🅗🅡🅘🅢
Here’s a link to the study itself: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2021.632784/full
Everything in life includes side effects that are not reversible. If i eat an ice cream cone, I’m a little different than i was if i didn’t eat an ice cream cone.
The promise of puberty blockers is that they delay the massive, irreversible effects of puberty. Are there side effects? It sounds like there are.
If you are a trans girl, looking puberty in the teeth, and you have the options of
Or
Which do you think might be more attractive to a young trans women? Which do you think might lead to a less stressful life?
There is the question of future fertility. A trans woman is not going to bear a child unless medical science dramatically advances. But she might be able to sire a child. Talking with a friend whose daughter recently came out as trans, they are freezing her sperm now, to retain that option. I’m not sure what is recommended for young trans men, although I’ve heard of a few who have borne children