Resolved: AT&T is the sleaziest, most unethical and incompetent phone company on the planet.

I go back a ways with AT&T.

You young’uns may find this hard to believe, but back in the day, AT&T (a.k.a. Ma Bell, the Destroyer of Worlds) had a phone monopoly ruled with an iron fist. If you wanted phone service, you had a technician come out to your home and install/activate a line, and you rented a phone from AT&T which you had to bring in to their office when you moved, to (hopefully) get your deposit back. Then cracks started appearing in the Ma Bell Empire - first people successfully purchased their own phones at department stores (despite dire warnings from the company that non-Bell phones would fry their wires, or somesuch). Ultimately the Gods were angered by AT&T’s excesses and the company was broken up into a bunch of Baby Bells (think a nest of small snakes to replace the giant Gaboon viper).

Now AT&T is just one of a number of phone service providers ostensibly trying to earn your business, but the old sense of entitledness remains. In an evil moment several years ago, I ended service with Sprint (an uncomplicated and even pleasant transaction) to open an account with AT&T, which was the exclusive partner with a phone maker whose device I wanted. That worked OK until now, when I decided to change phones and get on Mrs. J.'s account with another provider, to (in the long run, anyway) save money. Thus began The Troubles.

Late last month I called up AT&T to ask that my service be cancelled. After dodging plaintive requests to explain why I wanted to end the relationship, the rep told me my service was being immediately cancelled (which I confirmed a short time later - no service) and since my account was paid up for 9 days after that point, I owed them no further money and we were quits.

But of course, that was not so, for a new bill for $75.73 materializes a couple days ago. Back on the phone with AT&T, where “Julio” tells me my service was not actually cancelled, just “suspended” and I owed the $75.73. I explained cordially that was bullshit and asked for AT&T to acknowledge by e-mail and in writing that the account was cancelled and any further charges were null and void. Julio mumbled that he was preparing the e-mail, but came back on the line to say that he couldn’t send it, and then hung up on me. By this time it was too late in the evening to get another customer rep on the line, so back to the phones the next morning.

At this point, neither the new rep or his supervisor would tell me anything about my account without a “passcode” which I did not have (and which “Julio” didn’t need the night before), but would have to drive down to my local AT&T store to get, since the supervisor’s attempts at e-mailing it to me repeatedly and mysteriously fail. At the store, they tell me they can’t issue a passcode because my account has been cancelled. Showing remarkable patience despite the flames coming out of my ears, I persisted, at which point the store guy manages to navigate AT&T phone hell and gets me a passcode. I call AT&T and go back on hold.

The new phone rep confirms my account is cancelled, but the remaining charge is another matter. Eventually I am told the charge will be removed at a mystical later date, so no worries! Except I am past trusting what they tell me over the phone, and demand e-mail and written confirmation. Oh no, we can’t do that, because your account is cancelled! But we will connect you with the Loyalty Department, which will be happy to assist you!

(pause for extreme irony)

After more time on hold, the Loyalty Dept. drone informs me my account is indeed cancelled, but that since the $75.73 is still listed on my account, they can’t send me any notification it will be removed. But relax, AT&T would never forget to remove the charge and start piling on late fees and new bills. :dubious:

At this point I have spent a sizable chunk of my Sunday on hold with or occasionally having excruciating interactions with a succession of AT&T drones and their nincompoopic overlords.

Finally, out of the goodness of their hearts*, the AT&T store guys contact their boss, who is possessed of Super Powers™ and can get the bill wiped off the account for good, NOW. This is accomplished and I leave the store with confirmatory printouts.

So maybe it’s over. Or not. In any event, kiddies, never never NEVER sell your souls and sign on the dotted line with AT&T for any reason whatsoever, even if you think the other providers are worse.

There is no phone company more disreputable, disgusting, lying, conniving, cheating, possessed of more shit-for-brains excuses than AT&T.

*or possibly because I have already conversed with prospective customers about my experiences, and am in the process of wearing a groove in their carpeting while pacing up and down the store on hold with AT&T customer service.

I think it’s easier to quit the Church of Scientology.

AT&T is the Devil, but you can hold the Devil to his blood-inked contract.

Way back when the iPhone was just coming out, I signed onto their unlimited* data plan for a fixed price per month. And that’s still the same contract I have with them–same unlimited data for same fixed price. It’s a steal compared to the plans they offer now.

*Unlimited means “there technically no upper limit, but we’ll throttle your bandwidth if you use too much”. My monthly data usage isn’t high enough to hit the throttle, but it’s high enough that paying for it on any currently available plan would greatly increase my bill.

The last time I had a conflict like this I skipped the Better Business Bureau and went directly to my congressman. In fairly short order my problem was resolved and I got some sort of special line to call if I had future issues.

Fuck these people.

And fuck the Republicans who oppose various forms of consumer protection.

They are so sleazy, we can expect the CEO to be named to a Cabinet Post any day now.

Actually, they are in a fight with the DOJ over the Time Warner merger, and Stephenson has called out the administration as liars over whether he had previously offered to split off CNN to allow the merger to occur.

I worked a temp job for a few months in the San Francisco AT&T offices in (I think) 1986, so about 4 years after the baby bells were broken off (note that AT&T still existed as the long distance carrier) It was an interesting experience. From the point of view of the permanent staff that I worked with, their main concern seemed to be whether their jobs and pensions would continue. This is understandable, but no-one there seemed to have a clue about how their company was viewed by the general public.

By the way, OP’s description of the way AT&T used to function reminds me quite a lot of the way that monopoly cable companies work today.

It was true then, it’s less true now.

Full disclosure - 35+ years with the evil empire.

Jeez, and all I was considering was a complaint to the FTC.

I didn’t mention how much I like the AT&T customer service manual’s advice on how to deal with disagreement. At least twice, when I challenged CSRs on a clearly bogus statement, they hung up on me without another word. No “sorry I can’t help you”, just (beep).

I had a real nightmare with AT&T last year, when we moved to a new house.

At the old house, we had AT&T U-Verse for our home internet service, and we were just going to transfer it to the new address. I’m proficient enough to hook it up, no big deal. So, I waiting until what I thought was an appropriate time, a week before the move, to call AT&T and tell them that we were moving on Specific Date X, and on Specific Date X, we wanted it terminated at our old address and activated at the new address. No problem, they said!

Of course, we wake up the next morning and the internet has been cut off. No lights, no connection, nothing. I call AT&T, and they’re confused and walk me through a buch of waste-of-time troubleshooting steps. Finally, they notice what’s happened, and oh my god we’re so sorry, we’ll fix that right away, except not really right away, because the account shows that it’s cancelled at this address, so we can’t just turn it back on, we have to treat it like a new install. I spent three days on the phone with ten different CSRs trying to get a little bit of entertainment turned on at the old address. Finally, an actual AT&T person came out and got it all fixed within about 15 minutes.

Then it was on to the new address. Just plug in the equipment, hook everything up, and off and running, right? HA HA, you are SO naive! More phone calls, more idiot CSRs, a week without internet at home, until finally an actual AT&T tech comes out, says, “Ah, your box is outdated anyway, I’ll hook you up with a new one and config everything.” BAM, an actual human makes it work.

We just recently cancelled it, by the way. AT&T apparently has a deal with UPS stores where you take your modem/router thing to them with your account number and they take care of packing and shipping it back. I went and did that. The UPS guy printed out a receipt, and said, “You’re gonna want to hang on to that as long as possible.” They know.

And that’s not even including the story of the time I moved to another carrier for cell service and had to practically pull teeth to get my (paid-for) phone unlocked to work on the new network.

So, Stephenson could be the next AG? At least a Federal Judge?

My Smartphone Personal Unlimited plan dates all the way back to my Windows-based HTC Tilt. I’m currently using the plan with a Pixel XL. :slight_smile: The yearly price increases haven’t been enough to make me look at another plan, since I’m still getting a good deal for my usage rate.

I’ve generally found Spectrum to be more evil than AT&T, what with their broadband monopolies (the next fastest “high speed” internet in this area tops out at a whopping 8 Mbps if you’re lucky), high pressure sales tactics regarding bundling of their services, and resistance to removing the name of a deceased person from an account.

They sill owe me about $35 from 15 years ago from a cell charge that they took but upon questioning could not explain but would not refund. Till they pay up I won’t dealt with them and confine ATT to the pit of Hell.

I’m dealing with an AT&T fuckup right now, so I’m happy to jump on the bandwagon. I actually interact with AT&T employees quite a lot. Most of them are good people but clueless management, outsourcing and offshoring has really hurt morale and taken a toll on what used to be a pretty good company.

I find it amusing that AT&T’s website has a page advising consumers on how to avoid “cramming” charges (bogus fees sneaked onto your phone bill).

They should be warning people to watch out for AT&T, since the company itself was caught engaging in a huge cramming scheme and the Federal Trade Commision made AT&T cough up a $105 million settlement (most of that being returned to defrauded customers via refunds).

Bah, just lost my long post…TL;DR version - I’m now a T-Mobile customer because AT&T couldn’t pro-rate a bill and I had to waste hours with a CSR trying to explain pro-rating and me trying to find someone who actually understood the math behind pro-rating.

My mom briefly tried AT&T internet. They assured her that the net increase to her bill would be only $10 a month, total, including all fees. Well, except for those minor little fees that cost $150 a month, but nobody counts those. And that’s what they were charging her for literally nothing at all: The internet they installed did not work, and for a week after the installation, even her home phone wouldn’t work at all, either. I cannot fathom how the installer would even leave the house with the POTS not working.

Recently, they announced that they were cutting all support for POTS, and that the only phone service from here on out would be digital. Thereby taking away the last reason for anybody to ever have a landline any more, with the result that Mom’s now transferred her home phone number to Verizon.

Now that I have a little more time, I should tell this story too.

Basically, what happened was: we were with AT&T for our cell phone service, which worked well but was way overpriced. The phone I bought when we signed up was an HTC One M9, a solid piece of grey gunmetal with great speakers. I liked that phone.

After about a year, the vibrate feature stopped working, so I took it to an AT&T store for repair. I can’t be without the vibrate feature; I’m frequently in courtrooms and other places where you can’t have a ringer on, but still need to be alerted to texts and such. They ran it through troubleshooting steps (which I had already run), and yep, it was broken, we’ll replace it. What they sent me was a refurbished (which is fine) HTC One A9, which is a skinny silver-and-white girly-looking phone. Sigh. So I finish out my contract with the less-than-manly phone.

Shortly after our contract was up, T-Mobile was offering a great deal to switch, so we went that route. I decided to hang on to my phone for a while, because the new deal offered iPhones, which I don’t care for, and my wife and daughter got one each, and there wasn’t anything else out there that I felt like spending a bunch of money on. So, the transfer went smoothly for my wife and kiddo, and they ported my number, but in order to get the old phone to work on the new network, AT&T would have to unlock it.

And therein began the nightmare. Apparently, they were deeply confused by the fact that I had been given a replacement phone, because they kept sending me unlock information for the old phone, which I no longer had. Also, their records showed that I still owed $58 on the phone, which I attempted to pay, but I was told that 1) my account had already vanished from the system , and 2) a billing cycle had just ended so we had to wait until “the system” generated another bill before I could pay it off, and until I paid off the phone, they wouldn’t unlock it. I called every day, I went to AT&T stores, I sent message after message. I was told many times that there was no way to contact the unlock team directly, that I just had to go to the website and send a ticket, and they would get back to me, although each time I did that meant another two days without a working phone, and I would end up with the wrong information anyway. And of course there was the ever-present threat of “if the wrong information is entered five times, your phone will refuse to unlock forever”.

I pleaded with every AT&T person I talked to to put me in touch with the “unlock team” directly, email or phone, so I could explain what the problem was. Finally, after about a week without a working phone, two things happened: first, an AT&T employee finally said that he had a fax number for the unlock team. I wrote a two-page letter explaining everything and faxed it off. While waiting for a reply, I spoke to another AT&T person, who somehow managed to transfer my phone call to someone on the fabled “unlock team”.

As always seems to happen when you deal with AT&T, when you find the ultimate person after being kicked up through three levels of support or so, he was knowledgeable, and friendly, and my phone was unlocked after maybe 15-20 minutes on the phone with him. The following day, I got an email from the unlock team, apparently in response to my fax, that had the same unlock code and instructions, so I apparently managed to reach someone else as well. Anyway, I could finally claim victory and use my phone again, but the amount of time and effort I had to put into that was insanely inordinate.

For the record, I finally upgraded from that HTC One A9; this time, I just bought my phone unlocked straight from the manufacturer, an HTC U11. It’s not a hunk of metal like the M9, but so far I like it.

My wife apparently had a nightmare situation with ATT. She upgraded to an iPhone 7? at the ATT store and told the woman sales rep she wanted to keep her same unlimited data plan. No problem says the sales rep.

Next thing you know she gets a message her monthly data is full would she like to upgrade her plan. This woman told my wife she was keeping her original plan but the paperwork she signed said differently.

She called ATT to complain and got unlimited; the bill comes in at $75 a
month MORE than she was paying before.

Two phone calls later with multiple promises to put her back on the old plan and shes still being overcharged. She even confronted the bitch at the ATT store who lied and told my wife she was getting a different plan.

I think she just threw her hands up and is just going to take it but ATT lost a iPhone customer of almost 10 years because of their sleaze.
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How old was her data plan? There’s no going back once they’ve moved you off a grandfathered Unlimited plan. Apparently you have to explicitly state that you just want to buy a new phone, and that you want no changes made to any part of your plan at this time…otherwise, you’re stuck with a new plan. (I’m guessing some weasel words are used by AT&T to justify giving a customer a new unlimited plan when they’ve asked to remain on their existing unlimited plan.) The downside to this is that you’re paying for the phone out of pocket.