Resolved, that using "karen" as a pejorative is off limits

Because this isn’t about free speach, it’s about defining speach that’s against this site’s standards. You’re free to use “Karen” all you want, but you may or may not be able to use it here. There are several terms not allowed here, this is part of already established custom.

Personally, I have no problems using the term. I don’t think, at its heart it is gender based. It’s attitudinally based. But if the board decided that it wasn’t OK to use it here I would abide by the rules. It’s the same reason I don’t use words like “gyp” any more, having been educated.

How about “Chronos”? Works for me. :laughing:

Maybe not now but it’s time will come.

I think a lot of the attributes that have been associated with “ Karen” apply equally well to Marjorie Taylor Greene. Would it be okay instead to call someone a Marjorie if they’re behaving like self-entitled b*tch?

Leather can be made from the skin of animals slaughtered for their meat, fur seldom comes
from animals that are good eating.

(This post does not condone, excuse or otherwise support eating meat: i just want to point out the difference in degree between leaving only the “moo” or a skinned carcass)

I’m taking this from Wikipedia, but it’s a summary of what I found on other sites.

In African-American culture, there is a history of calling difficult white women or those who “weaponize” their position by a generic pejorative name. In the antebellum era (1815–1861), “Miss Ann” was used. In the early 1990s, “Becky” was used. As late as 2018, before the use of “Karen” caught on, alliterative names matching particular incidents were used, such as “Barbecue Becky”, “Cornerstore Caroline”, and “Permit Patty”. Linguist Kendra Calhoun connects “Karen” stereotypes to the older “soccer mom”. …

A more pointed explanation, which involves race, is the expression originating among black people to refer to unreasonable white women. The term was popularized on Black Twitter as a meme used to describe white women who “tattle on black kids’ lemonade stands” or who unleash the “violent history of white womanhood”. Now defunct Bitch magazine described Karen as a term that originated with black women but was co-opted by white men. …

The term is generally used to refer to women, but The Atlantic noted that “a man can easily be called a Karen”, with staff writer David A. Graham calling then-president Donald Trump the “Karen in chief”. Similarly, in November 2020, a tweet calling Elon Musk “Space Karen” over comments he made regarding the effectiveness of COVID-19 testing became viral. Numerous names for a male equivalent of Karen have been floated, with little agreement on a single name, although ‘Ken’ and ‘Kevin’ are among the most common names used. The Jim Crow era male equivalent to Miss Ann was Mister Charlie.

IOW, the term was originally meant to be both racist and sexist, just as “Becky” was, although not in the way American culture usually defines those terms. When white culture landed on the term to describe a wider version of the behavior, it became deracinated, so it’s used on black women, and desexed, therefore available for application to men as well. That’s pretty funny, considered that it’s opposite to the way pejoratives usually form.

I’ve never used “Karen” but the objections to it are weak. Our culture - and I assume everybody’s - regularly turns names into descriptors. Sex in the City launched a million “She’s such a Samantha” memes. Dick has already been mentioned, as has Chad.

Since the word is used only for people who earn the term by their behavior, Karens are not a protected class. I also think that uses of the term are diminishing, so we’re probably two years too late on taking a stand. Let it be forgotten the way a zillion previous fad terms have been forgotten.

…so you claim. :wink:

Allegedly.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m not saying you’re right either.

To answer a meme with a meme.

It’s dumb. People who use it thinking it is clever should be made fun of for their idiocy and hit with a rubber chicken.

Sexist? Yeah a bit. The Rodgers bit supports such as it is calling him a weak assed bitch. Racist? I don’t think so even though race based.

Banning it though? Agreed no. Just mocked.

Give it a rest. Plenty of people have explained to you just how stupid you are.

I’m not sure I know any Karensm good or bad. I will say it barely registers on this board unless it’s related to an article that is linked to.

However, I do second using Chronos as an alternate term. Now we just need a couple more people to back the idea. :slightly_smiling_face:

God bless you, Mordecai! :sunglasses:

No, it was not either of those things. It was descriptive.

Can’t be too much of a racial slur in the US. I’ve known two Micks in my time, both stereotypical Irish with red hair and freckles and obvious Irish derived names.

Other than movies, I don’t think I’ve ever heard Mick as an insult to Irish people. Depends who you are speaking too I would guess.

We just need a couple more to jump on the bandwagon and Karen will be history on the board.

Bye Felicia!

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Should we be bothered by the word manhandle, too?