The fact that it’s a common Irish name is surely the origin of its use as a derogatory term.
It’s in current use in the U.K. Perhaps not a severe slur, not to a point where a parent might hesitate to name their child Michael, but it’s certainly derogatory.
Oh, so it is not like mistreating some people. It is more like defining some people as not really human. Seems to me that telling people what they can say where is about free speech.
What’s your point? This is certainly a thread about what you are “free” to say on this Board, yes. Do you think you should be free to say anything here, without consequences?
All communities have norms of what is acceptable and what is not, enforced by informal or formal means. We’re discussing a specific case here. Your vague implication that “freedom of speech” is some kind of absolute principle that settles the matter is unhelpful. Freedom is never absolute, whether of speech or action.
I think that’s the answer Karen isn’t like a racial slur, or even a misogynistic slur, but it can still be used in a misogynistic way. So moderate misogynistic usage, and not usages that aren’t misogynistic (or racist).
Can we make fun of people using it? Maybe call them Michaels (from The Office) as they think they’re being clever like he did always saying “that’s what she said”
It may not always be misogynistic, but it is almost always cringey and dumb.
That’s an interesting proposition to discuss, but I’m not sure it holds up. Consider that it’s easy to imagine “male Karens” but I can’t quite conceptualize a woman mansplaining.
In any case, like you I am not personally worked up one way or the other, and can accept whatever the consensus is.
FWIW I personally think that societal power imbalances give contextual meanings to racist comments even if they are racist.
But more so, I’ve never found any good comes of telling anyone that they are racist. It is hard enough to discuss that what someone says or does has racist impact (which does not mean the person is racist).
Lastly, that said, my understanding is that the original usage was more calling out or at least identifying clueless unaware white privilege, which could present differently by gender, and I can’t count that as racist.
Clearly that is no longer the typical usage; it is just appropriated to mean clueless abuse of privilege of any sort and old.