Yes. Working on explaining things clearer.
That was me. I quoted the following:
I read this as people were told to stay in their homes at all times (or only allowed to be outside for “an hour” as stated in an earlier post). People couldn’t even be outside their homes even if they distanced. I have never heard of such a harsh lockdown outside of China. That’s why I wanted a cite.
@SuntanLotion replies to me with this:
That’s not even close to what I asked a cite for. I wanted a cite for people being told to stay in their homes and not go outside even if they were distanced.
See post above yours.
The CDC is still telling people to stay at home if sick.
Prior Guidance: The previous COVID-19 guidance recommended a minimum isolation period of 5 days plus a period of post-isolation precautions and was created during the public health emergency with lower population immunity, fewer tools to combat respiratory viruses, and higher rates of severe illness, including hospitalizations and deaths.
Updated Guidance: The updated Respiratory Virus Guidance recommends that people stay home and away from others until at least 24 hours after both their symptoms are getting better overall, and they have not had a fever (and are not using fever-reducing medication). Note that depending on the length of symptoms, this period could be shorter, the same, or longer than the previous guidance for COVID-19.
It is important to note that the guidance doesn’t end with staying home and away from others when sick. The guidance encourages added precaution over the next five days after time at home, away from others, is over. Since some people remain contagious beyond the “stay-at-home” period, a period of added precaution using prevention strategies, such as taking more steps for cleaner air, enhancing hygiene practices, wearing a well-fitting mask, keeping a distance from others, and/or getting tested for respiratory viruses can lower the chance of spreading respiratory viruses to others. - SOURCE
@SuntanLotion was talking about general lockdowns, not quarantining if you’re sick.
Yeah, when I tested positive, I had just been hired. I was in no way going to chance infecting coworkers or customers. I went in for training when my symptoms were gone, and stayed in for 8 days after testing pos.
I do recall hearing people were only to be allowed outside alone for an hour. I don’t write down every single thing so don’t have cites for everything.
I was and still am a grocery store worker. I never got the liberty of being on furlough or working from home. At no point in 2020, even when they stopped running the buses here for three months, do I recall anyone saying I could only go outside for a certain amount of time, nor did anyone ever question me as to why I was outside or where I was going or how long I was planning to be outside.
I call BS.
I do not think there was ever a “rule” or “law” about going outside. Just guidance…if you are sick please stay at home kinda thing.
I was on a plane a few days ago seated behind a couple who were clearly sick. Sniffling like crazy (really gurgly). Blowing noses every few minutes for hours. Looked miserable. Acted miserable.
But…there they were three feet in front of me on a crowded plane and, near as I knew, no one gave them any fuss about that. They should have stayed at home but didn’t.
I am not saying they had COVID…no idea what they had but I very much wished they had stayed home.
ETA: After the flight I went to the bathroom and the husband of that couple was in there too. I noted he did not wash his hands when done. That just added to my low opinion of this guy. Not that he knew or would even care…which also bugs me.
Yeah, I never heard of “you can only go outside for an hour” either. Heck, in my location, people were encouraged to go outdoors, to get some exercise. Of course, playgrounds were shut down, but you could walk or bike in the park as much as you liked.
When that’s the case, it’s best if you research to try to find it, and if that doesn’t yield results, recognize that you were either mistaken or that you were listening to an unreliable source, then discard the notion.
In my red state there were rumors flying around about everything.
This is why people hoarded and fought over TP. But reputable news organizations and newspapers put out mandates and recommendations.
Bad information comes down the rumor mill easily.
That’s true, Beck, and some people, lacking the skills necessary to determine which news sources are reputable and trustworthy, go by whichever sources echo their own views. Don’t trust and understand the government? You’re more likely to find sites espousing Covid conspiracy theories reputable and trustworthy.
Okay, I see. I the issue here seems to be imprecise language and some lack of critical thinking which can be very dangerous when talking about health topics. That’s why we were asking for cites and questioning the veracity of your friends claims.
For example, as of last July, an estimated 78% have had covid at least once. Unless your friends were taking precautions (which it sounds like they’re covid deniers, so I doubt they’ve taken precautions), the probability of them having covid is pretty high. There’s tons of data out there that unvaccinated people are more likely to get covid when exposed, are much, much more likely to get sicker, and are more likely to infect other people. These are simply facts published by many different groups. To think otherwise, falls into dangerous conspiracy theories. The more likely explanation is that your friends are lying or delusional as I stated in an earlier post.
In one study of just 15 months of the pandemic, over 200,000 deaths could have been prevented if those people got vaccinated. That number later exceeded 300,000. Considering that over 80% of the hospitalizations were unvaccinated people, millions of hospitalizations could have been prevented if people were vaccinated.
That’s just preventable deaths due to unvaccinated status. Much harder to estimate is how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were caused by covid denial and flouting of precautions. It has to be millions. While the excess deaths started with minority communities at the beginning of the pandemic, covid denial resulted in an over 40% higher excess death rate among republicans over democrats in some states.
Innocent ignorance is one thing, willful ignorance is quite another. I’m pretty sure Saint Peter isn’t going to buy it that they didn’t know any better when they meet him at the pearly gates.
Again, I think @SuntanLotion was not talking about quarantining yourself when you’re sick. She was talking about general lockdowns at the beginning of the pandemic. She quarantined herself when she got sick. People who don’t are truly assholes, which includes covid deniers who don’t bother to test and blithely go out without a mask and infect everyone around because they have “just a little something that’s going around”.
Which is good advice no matter what contagious illness you’ve got.
Nobody wants your flu or rotavirus, either; or even your head cold.
Unfortunately we have a society set up so that many people will lose their jobs, or at least enough of their pay to cause major problems, if they do stay home. With the result that, not only do we have more people die from severe cases of whatever than necessary, we also overall lose huge amounts of work productivity due to many people being at work when their work ability is suboptimal and while they’re at it infecting others at the workplace, some of whom will get even sicker.
I believe a few places in the world had such requirements, even for people with no symptoms. I’d be really surprised if all of Ohio had them. I suspect you’re thinking of a report you read about somewhere else entirely, and have it confused in your mind with your own experience.
We were told to stay six feet apart; most people did, though this wasn’t usually enforced by the police and in some places wasn’t enforced at all. Businesses deemed non-essential were closed by force of law in New York State and many others, during the worst of it, when major cities literally had nowhere to put the bodies and had to store them in whatever reefer trucks they could lay their hands on, and people were dying (sometimes from covid, sometimes from other conditions requiring hospital treatment) for lack of beds in the hospitals or shortages of medications and equipment even if they could get into a bed. But nobody was stopping anybody from going to the grocery or the drugstore or the farm supply at whatever hours it was ordinarily open, including after dark; or from going for a walk outdoors; or from meeting with the neighbors six feet apart in yards or on sidewalks.
This is also true.
I also heard a batch of crap that wasn’t so. I researched some of it, and often there was some tiny kernel somewhere (somebody somewhere in the world did collapse and die during a race at which they’d been running in a mask) blown up into an entire huge balloon of nonsense (no, the masks weren’t overall dangerous to wear: many thousands of people ran in races or for exercise masked and had no problems; apparently healthy people occasionally collapse and die during exertion due to undiagnosed heart conditions (including the one I’ve got, which doesn’t usually do that but does sometimes).
Asked or ordered to stay home? I think there is a difference.
She didn’t really specify.
There is indeed.
People were asked to stay home as much as possible (which unfortunately, for a lot of people, amounted to staying inside; but didn’t for anyone with even a small yard). Which is not the same thing as being required, or even being asked, to stay inside 23 hours on each specific day.
This may have been posted already. Bolding mine.
Cleveland limits some parks on 4/2/20 because
“We have gotten some complaints that people think we’re taking away their ability to use the parks,” Metroparks CEO Brian Zimmerman told WCPN’s the Sound of Ideas Thursday morning. “That is not what we’re doing. We’re trying to stay open.”
Here’s Ohio’s initial Stay-at-Home Order of 3/22/20: https://www.ideastream.org/gov-mike-dewine-coronavirus-update-march-22-2020
- Stay at home order allows for leaving home for health and safety, necessary supplies and services, outdoor activity, take care of others – family members, friend, pet in another household
- The identification of essential workers and businesses
- Each business that is allowed to stay open must follow good health, safety protocol, such as maintaining six foot distance, washing hands, hand sanitizing products, separate operating hours for vulnerable populations, online and remote access for customers
The order goes into effect Monday at 11:59pm and will expire April 6, though DeWine said that could be extended.
The 5/11 extended order included these changes:
Retail establishments, including grocery stores, will be required to post a maximum number of people admitted to the store at once and enforce it with a strict one-in/one-out policy. As spring finally takes hold in Ohio, retail garden stores can remain open but also need to determine a capacity appropriate for social distancing and enforce it.
“We’re not telling them what number to set because every business is configured differently," DeWine said. "We want each of these businesses to set a number, post a number. Everybody in the store knows the number and then if they fill up to that number, then they stop people from coming in.”
Anyone traveling to Ohio from out-of-state is asked to self-quarantine for 14 days under the new order, excluding those who live near state lines and may work or have to travel to another state on a regular basis.
I see nothing about not being outside except the curfew hours (with exceptions) and some parks closing.
Here’s the timeline. Maybe someone else would like to read and summarize points relevant to this thread from 5/1/20 on: Ohio's Coronavirus Pandemic: A Timeline | Ideastream Public Media
All that seems a request apart from a maximum number of patrons to a store.
I’m not sure even that was a “law” that would be enforced. It is mostly a “pretty please” from the state.